浸大學生會自暴其短 發廣東話聲明回應爆粗

shadeslayer

LSKLTK 發表於 18-1-27 15:46
相信很多家長都唔認同及唔支持學生嘅行為，但係有其他意見，或者其他角度思考，就係護短，非友即敵；

喺 ...

咁都沒看清？停學再調查，已應該暫告段落。但仍有大量 Brain dead 言論話乜乜政治目的，乜乜白色恐怖，乜未審先判，乜乜粗囗沒甚麼大不了，遊行示威，才令爭議不斷。

MrBeast

shadeslayer 發表於 18-1-27 19:58
你重講緊粗口？！

你睇左未先？

shadeslayer

Vanadium 發表於 18-1-27 19:33
如果大學用相同質素評核內地生廣東話水平才能畢業，相信內地生會抗議投訴到國家層面。
說來講投訴同不滿大 ...

人地無理取鬧，我地就可以無理取鬧？

shadeslayer

MrBeast 發表於 18-1-27 20:14
你睇左未先？

睇左

MrBeast

shadeslayer 發表於 18-1-27 20:23
睇左

只睇到粗口？

LSKLTK

shadeslayer 發表於 18-1-27 12:04
咁都沒看清？停學再調查，已應該暫告段落。但仍有大量 Brain dead 言論話乜乜政治目的，乜乜白色恐怖，乜 ...

停學，梗係知啦！我而家講緊指責；有爭議，可以唔使不停指責，得勢不饒人。嗰幾個學生嘅行為，唔需要連埋其他年青人一齊講㗎！

一竹篙打一船人合理咩？

LSKLTK

MrBeast 發表於 18-1-27 12:26
只睇到粗口？

No one, especially no students exercising right to speech, should be judged just on basis of short video clip.

joyce76123

Vanadium 發表於 18-1-27 19:33
如果大學用相同質素評核內地生廣東話水平才能畢業，相信內地生會抗議投訴到國家層面。
說來講投訴同不滿大 ...

這個比較不欠當，如果廣東話係國際真有很大影響力，十幾億華人都用來溝通的話。你說內地會不會考呢？不是大人不包容，是這幾個學生都沒反省到自己錯在哪裡，他們如果知道自己錯在哪裡，社會怎會不包容？思考要兩面思考，非只是批判，要從不同角度思考，換位思考。

joyce76123

ABC-DAD 發表於 18-1-27 18:33
好刻意去包裝成學生領袖咁，有點夾硬嚟

Vanadium

討論有3點。

1) 學生係語文中心8小時等待回應期間，有一個短時間相當激動，對老師惡言相向，無論如何，如此態度不可接受，學生應知錯同道歉，毫無爭議。

2) 大學畢業要普通話達標，原旨要學生有一定普通話溝通能力，但豁免試扭曲成用普通話作高難度表達，要角色扮演加情感，再加上普通話老師有利益衝突，高不合格率下相當有爭議。

3) 睇足資料大部份學生好正經學習同處理普通話，只係覺得已溝通到無必要再去上堂學，卻有人無限放大到又港獨又反普通話，呢類政治表態應絕對給予否定。

Vanadium

大家唔好忘記，大學最精彩之年代都係社運年代，連我地特首當年都有參與靜坐遊行，同政府談判。若當年港英要強硬姿態整治，話學生非法集會、佔據，仲用盡法律去送佢地上法庭審判，今日林鄭已絕無可能做特首。

我睇年青人多，年青人肯熱血我睇比果批自私自利加漠不關心的好得多。香港年青人已相當好教，入到大學果批都好講道理，但對住佢地，社會定要以理及以身作則令佢地信服，社會權貴講一套做一套，佢地係看得穿，問題只係點回應。

香港年青人現有兩大特點，對被欺壓反應非常大，第二就係近每幾日就一個跳樓死。社會啊.....指責佢地時，有無好好檢討自己? 點解今時今日會有呢種時勢?

流感爆發總有人死，無死既大多數笑罵死既一定自己有問題，呢句必然成立，死既一定有問題，而呢個就係我睇現社會對年青人既態度，唔處理病毒，只怪責死既人。

shadeslayer

MrBeast 發表於 18-1-27 20:26
只睇到粗口？

你講下你自己睇法先喇。

shadeslayer

LSKLTK 發表於 18-1-27 20:53
No one, especially no students exercising right to speech, should be judged just on basis of short  ...

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 18-1-27 23:11 編輯

No one, except the teachers concerned have the rights to tell whether they were threatened.

If the teacher call the police, you can tell the judge the story about freespeech.

shadeslayer

LSKLTK 發表於 18-1-27 20:47
停學，梗係知啦！我而家講緊指責；有爭議，可以唔使不停指責，得勢不饒人。嗰幾個學生嘅行為，唔需要連埋 ...

我講左，係學生們的反應，和之前很多例子，引起我的 [似乎]評論。
哦，年輕人有 freespeech 我無 freespeech，明白。

LSKLTK

shadeslayer 發表於 18-1-27 15:10
No one, except the teachers concerned should be told whether they were threatened.
If the teacher c ...

Exactly! Absolutely right!  NO ONE except the teachers!!  

shadeslayer

LSKLTK 發表於 18-1-27 23:30
Exactly! Absolutely right!  NO ONE except the teachers!!

Yes, the teacher SAID they were threatened. Nobody was asking the students' opinion if they intended to threaten the teachers. If the teacher called the police, they can explain that to the judge.

second, even nobody can judge if the teachers were threatened in the sense of the law, ANYONE can judge the behavior of the students. Same as the student judge teachers if  their conflict of interests or marking scheme.  Freedom of speech, remember?   Or is free speech a one-sided thing applicable to students only?

BTW, "that" particular behavior is "bullying" not freedom of speech.

Don't you get it?  The only way they redeem themselves is to take the penalty gracefully and then they have the right to tell everyone let's move on.

MrBeast

shadeslayer 發表於 18-1-27 23:07
你講下你自己睇法先喇。

之前講左唔重複la，網友additional info 後覺得its the intention that matters.  學生原本不是想去威嚇老師，我不相信嚴政，尤其高官寬己嚴人

LSKLTK

shadeslayer 發表於 18-1-27 17:45
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 18-1-28 02:02 編輯

Yes, the teacher SAID they were threatened. Nobody  ...

本帖最後由 LSKLTK 於 18-1-28 02:31 編輯

Yup, only if the teachers called police, but would like to see how they would be judged in the sense of law or to receive a fair trial?!Nobody knows at the moment.

Hmm.... Freedom of speech,shouldn’t include their mothers which was quite offensive. Not constructive at all. A kind of bullying?Accusing fingers here tell the origin of conflicts between the young and the old — 寬己嚴人.

I would prefer to see the whole story before making judgement. Accuse of their behaviour doesn’t help if that is a matter of education and communication.