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原帖由 eviepa 於 11-6-20 22:37 發表
總之,母語教學得到最佳教學效果是全球教育界共識。為何搬到香港來便越淮為枳?


好問題......這問題亦正正可以解釋老慒董強推母語教學為何失敗,為何變為"倒行逆施".......
香港之所以要行一國兩制, 其歷史相信大家都好清楚, 香港的法定文字,法律原文97前都是英文,  香港的獨特歷史和環境,並不可能在回歸後可以簡單得像擦粉筆字甘擦左去....所以香港教育會出現中中or 英中甘畸怪既教育制度........

母語教學得到最佳教學效果是全球教育界共識。<----呢個理論其實只系"阿媽系女人"之類既簡單邏輯, 根本完全唔需要咪"全球教育界共識",系人都可以明白,1d討論價值都冇....香港實行中中or 英中,值得討論既前提系在香港英文是否重要,有否需要去學........有結論後, 如果中文可以取替英文,我地仲點解要下一代學英文......相反, 如果英文"非學不可"(我100%認同的)那要討論的是香港教育應該由幼稚園,小學,中學,大學,...那一個階段就實行全英文教學, 而不是出現中中or 英中甘畸怪既"一學兩制"教育制度........
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依我說,教師有什麽語言說的最稱心就用什麽語言,當然在表達理想的基礎上。
學校也不用標簽什麽英中,中中之類。

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原帖由 春風花語 於 11-6-21 14:29 發表
依我說,教師有什麽語言說的最稱心就用什麽語言,當然在表達理想的基礎上。
學校也不用標簽什麽英中,中中之類。


現行教育制度是有分學校教的科目用英or中文.....
當然英中是規定用英文上課, 但老師用中文上課遷就學生亦無不可, 但對學生學習英文就可能會出現"得過且過",逃避學習英文的機會; 情況就好像升中可以選擇中中, 中中學生學習英文的急切性自然往後推, 推到會考,升大學才"如夢初醒"原來自己英文程度根本入不了大學門檻.......

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恕我直言,有的教師根本會用自己都不會流利使用的語言去教導學生。請問,這對學生的學習興趣有多大提升呢?

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原帖由 春風花語 於 11-6-21 15:09 發表
恕我直言,有的教師根本會用自己都不會流利使用的語言去教導學生。請問,這對學生的學習興趣有多大提升呢?


這問題是"濫芋充數"的問題......現實世界總有人冇料or冇學歷,但就有本事通過重重甄選做到教師......這自然不是學生之福, 更加說不上這可對學生的學習興趣有多大提升?


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香港實行全英文教學根本不可能,因為除了英文老師外,好多教師本身英文都係麻麻,,上堂如果硬性規定全英文授課肯定教了好多chingish出來?

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原帖由 stccmc 於 11-6-21 20:24 發表
如果想中文好,由幼稚園起用中文學習好了。如果想英文好,由幼稚園起用英文學習好了。

問題係在香港讀書的香港孩子,中英皆要學,如何是好?幾時用中,幾時用英,如何拿捏? ...


如果不是在香港,而是在偉大的祖國生活, 用中文學習直截了當了......但我們的祖國同胞還是有一批精通英語or外語的人上人.....
回到生活在香港讀書的香港孩子,中英皆要學,如何是好?幾時用中,幾時用英,如何拿捏? ... <----現實是香港的母語其實是中英二語, 講人數自然是中文,講精英就是英文, 呢個現實回歸50年後會否改變,我不敢說, 但現正就學的同學仔就一定要接受......
至於"幾時用中,幾時用英,如何拿捏?" ... 照現實情況,小學前用中,升中後用英,我認為既能令同學仔有中國人的根, 同時又可以邁向全球化,可接受到未來挑戰......所以我勁反感老慒董強推母語教育, 根本政府要推行的是英語教育呵....

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原帖由 meow02 於 11-6-22 11:11 發表
香港實行全英文教學根本不可能,因為除了英文老師外,好多教師本身英文都係麻麻,,上堂如果硬性規定全英文授課肯定教了好多chingish出來?


雞先蛋先的因果關係而已......老慒董強推10年的母語教育,自然令英文都係麻麻的教師上晒位, 真正有心的英文老師無"定"企啦......

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原帖由 stccmc 於 11-6-21 20:24 發表
問題係在香港讀書的香港孩子,中英皆要學,如何是好?幾時用中,幾時用英,如何拿捏? ...


It's very difficult to strike a balance between Chinese and English proficiency, no one can replace the parents' critical role; unconditional love, family relationship and open communication within the family are the key elements.

I support CMI in kindergarten and primary, but we need to provide a regular English speaking environment for him, not purely grammar stuff. I will use language programs as enrichment programs more than academic excellence.

My son finished G1-6 EPGY Maths at P2 level. From G7 onward, his local CMI School’s English standard can't support him to study higher level Maths. So he stopped one year in Maths and focused on English so that he could continue the EPGY program at P4. "Start and stop" is very difficult for us and the boy (He may think was under average, eventually, he was well advance.), be sensitive and need to explain to him in details..... He also told us to take CMI secondary school instead of EMI, then we arranged two holidays in English and PTH speaking countries, his first hand experience reminded him that he needed to master both.

After he can manage both Chinese and English at certain standards, he started to learn PTH. The teacher was from Beijing and I appreciated her methodology, activity-based and also focused on writing skills training. But she didn’t take students older than 10......... (No need to ask or pm me, she quitted and just as simple house wife, referred by a friend.)

When he got into an elite secondary school, he became mediocre. He struggled a bit, we didn't offer any help until he made up his mind to do IBDP. He took English writing remedial class and some class more examination-oriented to improve his chance to take IB. It's tough, now we can see his positive progress in bilingual program.

It's not easy, but we love our kids, relationship and communication are the fundamentals to nurture a great kid.

May be some parents will say also financial resources and parents' academic standard...... Some programs are free of charge........

You may ask the follow up question, how do we know his standard compare with other kids?

Of course, we shared among groups of friends in business circles and in church. We picked up some great ideas from more knowledgeable parents and we studied and sourced around different programs in HK and overseas. We also encourage our boy to sit for international examinations in both English and Maths, not to show-off here, more for benchmarking. Reality check the medium fish in the ocean........ (I guess our kids' destination is ocean not the ponds.)

My personal reflection on HK educational system is..... When our dear educational official told us to move forward 3 steps, I will stop immediately and look around and may left or right turn with 1 step back....... Sorry not social dance, that what I am doing now. Not funny,

In conclusion, no fast track, no right or wrong, but needs trial and error type of approach.

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[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-6-22 18:15 編輯 ]
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to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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I really appreciate for your sharing.

annie

原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-6-22 12:02 發表


It's very difficult to strike a balance between Chinese and English proficency, no one can replace the parents' critical role; unconditional love, family relationship and open communication within t ...


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回覆 10# ANChan59 的文章

多謝你的分享。

可惜我個仔太小, 都唔知點樣請教你。


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原帖由 wunma 於 11-6-22 12:37 發表
不分中中, 英中, 老師以母語教英文版教科書, 然後按學生吸收進度, 逐漸增加英語比例, 以達至全英語授課目標.

學生則可自由選擇母語, 英語或半中英提問, 但所有家課, 筆記, 測考全英, 又得唔得呢?

這亦是一般補習社 ...

這個方法,我覺得可以由小學3~4年級開始實行就最好.....升中後, 不同的學生吸收進度可以用分班別解決, 但全英語授課目標如果在初中都唔實施, 我認為等同用美沙酮麻痺住D學生, 結果只系不斷依賴美沙酮逃避,永遠都下唔到決心學好英文......

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原帖由 stccmc 於 11-6-22 12:47 發表
ANChan59 and Samuel,

I also agree with you two on the primary-CMI-secondary-EMI approach in general, if we talk about bilingual education only. One problem with is approach, which around one third of ...


大仔讀既英中我反而覺得太少功課......其實少功課,學生剩下的時間都系hea過而已...

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If you can do it again, would you do it differently in terms of bilingual capabilities?

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stccmc

My friend, you always ask tough and reviewing question. Force me to re-think and learn from my past decision , past mistakes and approach.

Give me 24 hrs to rethink and come back to you. May be here or pm you.

ANChan59

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annie, sumyeema1,

You are welcome.

I don't mind to share in BK, but I need to be sensitive and not upset other parents.

So more parents know my personal view on MOI and language proficiency.

ANChan59
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原帖由 samuel89 於 11-6-22 14:45 發表


大仔讀既英中我反而覺得太少功課......其實少功課,學生剩下的時間都系hea過而已...


Samuel

Hea is a great learning process ............ their learning styles are not the same as our good old days.

One of the example I like to use is :
he turned on the computer all the time with two monitors, left for FB and MSN and forums.... right for homework or project or lab report........ Of course, we told him thousands time to stop, but his results still above average, not flying colour. If based on MBO, he achieved that, my wife will complain about the process and not just the result, the arguement will be never ending. I will stick to MBO ...... maintain the relationship, he is more willing to share with me rather than mom.

He told me that they exchanged homework or info related to school work through FB, he shew it to me, some even shared their model answers in Economics ..........

Don't push him out of the home door, others are simple.......  

Pray for him all the time.

ANChan59
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
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