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Dear Sandrine,

I agree with you that IS are expensive. Therefore, I hope one day our Hong Kong education has the same standard as IS that I can save a lot of money.

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I like people telling me I am wrong, if they are right. A teacher posted his comments about this topic in ESF parents' forum.

www.hkcampus.net/webforum/read.php?num=4&id=636&thread=607&
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local Vs. international (202.64.205.66)
Date: 03-17-2005 17:06
I am a local secondary school teacher and my girl is studying in P2 at Beacon Hill School. I think I can say something about local Vs. international from an insider's viewpoint. Actually local schools teachers are very very hardworking and many of them cater for the needs of students to their very best! (as most of my colleagues do) The main problem is that local parents are expecting too much on the teachers, many of them would think that all learning takes place inside the school, they don't think that knowledge are everywhere in their daily lives. If I ask my students to read more books and pay more attention to road signs in English, their first response is "would this be examined in our final exam?" If teachers don't give enough homework for students to spend their whole night struggling for the answers, complaints would be received from parents to say that the teacher is lazy. To survive and to secure our jobs, teachers can only succumb to the tide! With more and more assessments introduced at different levels to check for the progress of students from the EMB, I think the above phenomenon would just go worst. To escape from the above vicious cycle, the only thing I can do to my girl is to escape from the local system. I don't think that a foreign curriculum, no matter UK or US or whatever, would be the final answer to a child with all the good characters parents are expecting for. Remember that many students in UK cannot meet the basic standards set by the Government. But I think non-local curriculum can give room for parents to nurture their kids according to their own expectations, not the expectations of EMB or the school.

My impression:
-Parents are wrong
-EMB is wrong
-Teachers are hardworking to keep their jobs
-All we can do is to send our son/daughter to International Schools

Parents here please add your comment.

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Frankly speaking, if I know my kid can definitely go into some famous local school, I will not consider IS. I think some famous local schools have very excellent support and facilities in terms of teacher's qualification and kid's personal training too.

For studying IS, I'm also worried if the culture is suitable for my kid as I'm a purely Chinese.

I'm still struggling...

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Copied from the link below, interesting.
http://www.baby-kingdom.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=159634&forum=49&2

名校透視鏡

　　「楊太，我的孩子升讀小1了。某某小學取錄了他，聞說這間學校程度比人家高，我怕他跟不上。你的兒子今年升讀小3，我想請教你用什麼方法幫助他。」

　　「背乘數表。」她肯定地回答。「趁暑假一定要背熟乘數表，開課時才不會那麼慌亂。這所學校的教學進度驚人，人家還在學加減數，我的孩子已經學完四式算題。」

　　「還有什麼？聞說除了數學科外，英文科的程度也比較深。」

　　「當然啦！趁暑假趕快讓他多做點補充作業。我保留了過去的舊試題和舊讀本，你可以拿去，讓他在假期先練習和備課。」楊太滔滔不絕地提點著。

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　　名校的程度一般比普通學校高半年至一年。在這些學校讀書的學生絕大多數都有全職媽媽兼有補習老師輔導功課。換言之，單靠課堂學習是很難追得上的。

　　同時，一般家長都會向高年級的學生借回舊試題，讓孩子在考試前練習，博取較佳成績。

　　補習，做舊試題，已經成為這些學校的風氣。成績不好固然需要補習，就是名列前茅的學生也有幾個補習老師，以保持優勢。愈是成績好，補習老師就愈多，而且愈是「名牌」。小部分家庭背景欠佳的同學，成績當然強差人意了。

　　這邊廂戰況激烈，拿滿分或90分以上的同學大有人在；那邊廂自動棄權，拿10分或甚至吃「蛋」的也有不少，這就是名校的怪現象。

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　　「陳老師，聞說你下個月離職往某某小學任教，是真的嗎？真捨不得你。」

　　「對啊！我認識一位朋友在那裡任教，她說那裡可以準時放學，不用留校替學生補課，比這兒輕鬆得多了。除了中國語文作業外，其他學科的作業都比這兒少，可以省卻許多批改作業的時間。那裡的家長比老師更緊張學生的功課，老師還未教，大部分學生都已經先學會了。他們又在家裡小心查看子女的作業，有錯漏的地方早已改掉了。作業到我手上時，不消一刻便批改完畢。有這麼多好處，不轉校才怪呢！」

　　「喂！下學期有空缺記得通知我。」

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　　名校的家長大多數是有識之士，對兒女的教育非常關心，甚至過分熱心。惟恐兒女得不到驕人成績，又嫌學校的程度太淺，進度太慢，不惜請來名補習老師，教導兒女較高程度的數學題和英文課。老師縱然不用心，學生的程度也比一般學校高出數倍。因此，在這裡任教的老師一般都帶著「按章工作」心態；懷著教學理想，雄心壯志的教學工作者僅屬鳳毛麟角。

　　這樣的環境對於學習能力較低的學生來說，當然不大適合了。他們容易被忽略，成績也跟不上。有些害怕上學，自我形象低，縮在課室的一角，他的存在好像僅是為了補足人數似的。有些為了引起老師或同學的注意，不斷騷擾鄰座的同學或搗亂課堂秩序，結果，每課都站在課室門口上課。

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　　按語：對於學習能力強和自我形象高的同學來說，名校的讀書風氣又確實起了剌激作用。他們的語文能力，不論在閱讀、書寫或語言方面，都明顯地較一般學校強，有助他們建立自信心和學習其他學科。

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vhunghk 寫道:
Frankly speaking, if I know my kid can definitely go into some famous local school, I will not consider IS. I think some famous local schools have very excellent support and facilities in terms of teacher's qualification and kid's personal training too.

I am not sure if this is true, but quite sure that parents have to do a lot to keep the standard of the kids studying in famous local schools, such as sending them to tutor class and a lot of extra-curricular activities, teach them the materials first before going to class, and prepare them very well for tests and exams. If not, the kids will lack behind a lot as competition in famous local schools is too keen.

For IS, the kids do the work by themselves, and the pressure of tests and exams is lower.

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>> For studying IS, I'm also worried if the culture is suitable for my kid as I'm a purely Chinese. I'm still struggling...

Western culture, forget it !
i worry about the IS is not western enough.
or int'l enough.
Hardly can i see more western kids in many IS in HK now!!

If you can see a western kid,
The kid is likely to be a western/chinese mix too, and the kid speaks very good Mandarin instead.

If you like Western culture or
international environment,
you need to choose an IS having more non-Chinese population.

Without much int'l students,
IS is just like a local school

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The world is changing, many western peoples are learning Mandarin now. Having a good mix of Western and local Chinese student may be an ideal for many parents. Hong Kong is famous for being a meeting point of the East and the West. I don't think having too many Chinese students will make IS become local school. The teaching approaches are different. It is always safe to stay in the middle. Being totally westernized make your child a BBC/ABC/CBC. Knowing English and Chinese makes your child a global person.

In fact, many parents of IS are trying very hard to teach their children Chinese.

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No matter what kind of school the kids are stydying (IS or LS, famous or not famous school), the most important thing is to depnd on how the parent to bring up the kids.  School is the place for the kid to enjoy studying but the time at school is limit.  As a parent, we should not too rely on school education.  We have to consider more about the kid because it is supposed that you are the one who understand what your kid's need clearly.  It's not just for academic support, but also thier personal development, e.g. thier EQ, how to help them under adverse environmnet (PS: Nowadays, people espcially HK kids are weak at this area because parent is treating them as prince or princess), social life...

I just like most of the parent in HK.  As long as I can, I will provide my best for my kid.  But I think it is too harsh for the kids just focusing on their academic aspects.  It totally buries the other aspects of the kids.  My kid is just around 2 so I hope I can give my kid the chances to learn all other aspect , not just academy.

Another issue I want to bring up is the quality of the parent for the school the kid studying.  Undoubtedly, the AVERAGE quality of the school in famous school is better than others.  The classmate your kid meet has a great impact on their development.  They have a strong "peer group" effect.  This is one of the reason I prefer to choose some famous school for my kid.

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As we are working parent, we quite depend on the school's education. A good school, a good teacher and a good classmate really will influent our kids learning. I found that my child will have a bette result when the teacher is good in teaching.

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就我個人個案, 我比女女入國際學校,只係因為打算日後送走佢, 並不是因為主流學校有問題>

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Very interesting cartoon for the topic:
humorist.net/lilywong/archive/arc980810.htm

Another forum talking about this topic:
www.batgung.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=29

A good article talking about schools in Hong Kong
www.batgung.com/articles/hkschools.htm

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Strongly agree with you: "without much int'l students, IS is just like a local school." That's why I am still thinking to apply to SJS (many local students but good reputation) or Bauhinia ESF (mainly int'l students, you can see from the photos but not as famous as SJS/KJS). The new Ma On Shan Yat Sun School may be a good choice, but with mainly local students, may be the parents will do the same just like the parents of famous local schools, so the students will suffer pressure and competition just the same.

So may be Bauhinia will be the best choice but it will close soon..... :-|

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>>The teaching method and curriculum is totally different from local school.

A local private school can have different teaching method and curriculum too

Thus, why call it international if
95%+ students are not international?

Besides, my understanding is that
all ESF schools are not international schools too,
they are just schools for English kids in the past.