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hksarah 寫道:
In the last X’mas party, I met the wife of our General Manager ( let’s called her Ms. A  ). She  is currently a teacher CKY school. Both my General Manager and his wife is an English. Our colleagues and her have a quite long discussion to the education in Hong Kong and CKY. At the very beginning, I do not have any intention to look down CKY. I just want to give our moms to have another point of views to CKY form a crrent teacher for open discussion.
Some important points are listed below.

The background of Ms. A : -

She has a higher diploma in Education. She has taught Kindergarden and primary school for several years in England. Ms. A would like to apply as a teacher in English School Foundation  英基 but failed for several times. I am so frighten that Ms. A is so open to tell us about this. She said that she will continue to apply as a teacher in English School Foundation. It’s not only for the salary but also for ESF’s reputation in England and the World. She has taught CKY for three years.

Ms. A’s comment to CKY school :-

The Principal and the management would like to make this school good.

The administration of this school is mess.

The policy and regulation always change.

The qualification of the foreign teacher is various. The main requirement is you are a Native English speaker. The pay is also various.

This school would like to copy the whole mode of teaching and learning from an International School e.g ESF. But it is quite if not absolutely impossible due to the English standard of student in this school is too low. It is hard for the foreign teacher to teach in English totally and fluently.

The resource of this school is not enough. There are not enough English story books. The management said that they will prepare funding for purchasing story books for each year. Then after five to six years, the situation of lacking story book will be improved.  The management said that it is a new school and many aspects of improvement should take time. Ms. A do not agree with this point as this school required the teacher to teach the student with the story book only.

The teaching guidelines and course syllabus for the teacher is too loose. They don’t know what and how to teach.

Quite a number say 25% of foreign teachers leave this CKY every year. Most of the foreign teachers are finding other jobs including Ms. A.

Quite a lot of the development is frozen due to the lack of financial support.

She believed that CKY will became better and better with the time past. However, it will take times. It is usual event for a new school. Ms. A anticipated that it will take another ten years.

kunggi201 寫道:
In other discussion forum you told people that your friend’s kid is studying in CKY, then in here you said that your colleague’s wife is teaching in CKY.  So, you know many people who are CKY-related, but you are not a CKY parent.  Then, eventually you “transfer” their personal thoughts to here.  Regrettably, your views (or their views which are filtered by you?) are quite subjective. You have even changed your English heading of the post to Chinese to attract more attention.  I am not sure what is your intention to post some many negative comments on CKY in different forums here.

Being a parent (you are not a CKY parent right?), I am fully aware of what kind of school I choose.  I am not sure whether I can speak for all CKY parents, but one thing I am quite sure that – we are all well educated.  I, myself, have a master degree from a US university, so as my wife, and I know many CKY parents who are professionals.  Do you think we are all stupid dude, letting our kids enter a school which we don’t know at all, and pay $40000 a year?

I admit, the school’s administration is a mess. I talked about this in other threads in this Forum many times.  But, no school is perfect, and I don’t think other private schools are much better administrative than CKY.  Even they are, what I concern is the education mode, rather than the administration, as I am not the teacher working for CKY.

Every teacher does complain the school they work for.  So, what the big deal?  I already complain my company, but it is a well-known service company.  The matter is, we serve the clients well.  Which client will care for your administration, how much you pay for your staff?

I think you need to spend more time to read CKY brochure.  It is NOT an international school, it doesn’t claim itself as an international school, and the school masters even don't claim the school as an English school.  It is a bilingual school, where English, Putonghua and Cantonese are used.

I attended many school activities, and I even paid many “sudden visits” to school and the classroom, so I can confirm that:

ONLY ENGLISH IS USED FOR ENGLISH AND ENGLISH RELATED SUBJECTS

ONLY PUTONGHUA (starting from P2) IS USED FOR CHINESE AND CHINESE RELATED SUBJECTS

CANTONESE IS USED FOR “MORAL EDUCATION”, AND KIDS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK CANTONESE IN ENGLISH CLASS.  THEY CAN ONLY SPEAK CANTONESE DURING THE RECESSION.

If you colleague’s wife needs to have translators to teach English in class, it is the problem of her teaching ability.  No wonder she failed many times for applying the ESP.  I have never seen my kid’s English teacher using Chinese during class, and I have never heard of any similiar complains from other parents.

In my kid’s class, there is a classmate who is very weak in English (only knew a few English words when he entered CKY). But, he can catch up fast in P.1, as he can open himself to the English learning environment, encouraged by the English teacher.  It all depends on the teacher and the kid.

English teachers are mostly expat.  High turnover rate is not only the problem of CKY, but also other schools.  Bear in mind that, CKY pay less than the market price to English teachers, but their workloads are much more than the international schools.

No school is financially sufficient. 拔萃都被人投訴唔夠課外書啦．So what? It is still a famous and good school.

My kid read at least 10 story books a week borrowed from the public library. I don’t think any school which has a big school library to accommodate more than 600 book worms (students).  You want to read? Fine, there are plenty books in the public library, which CKY encourages their students to go regularly, and the kids are required to write report on the books they read.  Don’t complain that there is no book in school, so your kid learns nothing.  It is the job of the parents.

CKY has just released the admission results, and it is now a sensitive moment to see such sensitive post.

hksarah 寫道:
Dear motheroffour,

Im so regret that I learn English in Hong Kong. I have a grade A in HKCEE English Language Sys. B.  Luckily or say unfortunately, I graduate from HKU with a Second Honour Degree of English Lit.

SO my English is so weak.



hksarah

EdT 寫道:
At first I do not intend to reply to such kind of groundless accusations to the school because I could not imagine any sensible person would openly express such dumb comments like English standard of the student is too low during a joyous Xmas party, especially to her hubby’s sub, let alone our beloved CKY teachers.   The message looks to me more like the English lady is attending an interview with ESF and the interviewer asks her why she would quit CKY and apply for ESF.

Yet as kunggi has said, this is a sensitive time for parents making decision and I would like to tell prospective CKY parents that the negative comments in the opening thread are far from being the truth.

“The administration of this school is mess” – At times it is messy, but mostly for the short notices.  Other than that it is acceptable.  Be frank, to be fair to the admin. staff and the Principals, I would refrain from accusing them that it is a total mess.  I believe most of the administrative deficiencies happened as a result of the borrowed school site, worse yet it has to be shared with YCIS.  I think it could only get better when we get the new campus built.

“The policy and regulation always change” – NOPE, at least from parents and students point of view.  For educational philosophy and policy, its emphasis on bi-lingualism and student development never changed.  Policy/regulation for the school and teacher, I DON'T CARE.  I only know that contracts for under-performing teachers would not be renewed which is good.

About ESF, no doubt.  Teaching in ESF and most popular IS is a dream job for any NET.  You can easily get over a million HK dollars a year for a 5days a week 10 months a year job.  Sometimes the students would pay the overseas trip for you too.  Why not?   You can also easily find NET friends around too.  Having said that, a NET is a NET with foreign roots and ties, nobody is going to expect them to stay for a long time.

As kunggi said, CKY is not copying ESF mode of teaching. Most ESF except SJS are British curriculum based, though they are moving to IB.  CKY and ISF are unique in their emphasis on CHINESE and English.  Not that many ESF schools place such strong emphasis on Chinese.  Renaissance is going to apply the same philosophy.  Actually this is the reason I put my kid into CKY.

At the end, I just don’ understand what is meant by “CKY will became better and better with the time past. However, it will take times. It is usual event for a new school. Ms. A anticipated that it will take another ten years.”  Becoming better and better is a continuous event while taking 10 years usually refer to a set target.  And I think it is really bold for somebody to claim a school would need 10 years to get better.

Oops by the way, CKY was only opened for 3 years and a few months.   

EdT 寫道:
吓, motheroffour, 做乜咁嚇我。  有何高見,請講, 願聞其詳。

BBCMum 寫道:
我唔係motheroffour，但見眾CKY家長其實都能看到CKY的一些缺點，卻仍然包容與支持；例如在其他THREAD上有家長會為CKY可能遲出通知解釋是因為近X'MAS工作較忙，及什麼現在的老闆比將來的老闆更重要等...。但細心想，X'MAS忙是預知的，如果是預知及可避免的都不能避免，客觀來說，那其實反映是決策素質的問題。若問題只屬冰山一角，那就要考慮包容與理智是否及如何取得平衡。

幸好CKY都能如時通告結果，雖然早前2ND IN的時間表一再失守，亦算作出改善。

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EdT 寫道:
吓, motheroffour, 做乜咁嚇我。  有何高見,請講, 願聞其詳。

motheroffour 寫道:
kunggi201,

You said you hold a master degree from a USA university. Which one was that and where did you learn English?

hksarah 寫道:
Dear kunggi201 ,

I'm sorry that my previous thread had offence your goodself. You are right that it may not be a good timing to discuss a school as it has just released the admission result.

May be we can delete our previous posts and let's have a open discussion in the few months later.  

motheroffour 寫道:
EdT,

I don't think you have chosen a good school for your kid, though I don't agree with hksarah.

fannycheungmc 寫道:
THANK YOU BBCmom

o it is so bad at cky. EdT, you think should he change school for his kid?