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中天英發表於 13-8-15 03:56
如果比較一下LPC，個差距就好明顯。
LPC UWC 2012
No. Of student. : 121

LPC嘅美國Ivy League/Top Tier大學offer, 除左響數目方面遙遙領先，仲包括Harvard/Yale/Princeton呢三間。

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問個傻問題。

會唔會讀LPC的學生，有多d人喺美籍？所以多d入Ivy League（當然，LPC學生的成績是很出眾）？

我還是覺得，除卻成績以外，接觸不同背景（我指國籍文化）的人，有不同的話題視野，才是最吸引的地方。

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引用：問個傻問題。會唔會讀LPC的學生，有多d人喺

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問個傻問題。

會唔會讀LPC的學生，有多d人喺美籍？所以多d入Ivy League（當然，LPC學生的成績是很出眾）？ ...

妳真衰，一嘢踢爆！

希望將offers，跟海外及本地學生分開列出，既然lB成績都夾硬分出嚟，這個有多難！

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vincher 所以她一D都吾傻！

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and wisdom to know the difference.

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Yanamami 發表於 13-8-15 07:52
問個傻問題。

會唔會讀LPC的學生，有多d人喺美籍？所以多d入Ivy League（當然，LPC學生的成績是很出眾）？ ...

LPC大概一半香港學生，一半海外學生；而海外學生，來自80個國家。
我唸來自非洲唧學生，肯定比美國嚟嘅多。

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ANChan59 發表於 13-8-15 08:51
妳真衰，一嘢踢爆！

希望將offers，跟海外及本地學生分開列出，既然lB成績都夾硬分出嚟，這個有多難！

如果將LPC本地／海外學生分開，會更加凸顯佢地嘅優勢喎，
以我所知，大部份Ivy League/Top Tier大學offer, 都落在果50個本地學生手中。

其實你去睇下本地／海外學生嘅score分佈，就知道班本地生勁好多嘅。

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問題係，點解以往可以輸出大量Ivy League/Top Tier大學學生嘅「神級」學校，而家做唔倒？
問題係，點解以世界級嘅IB score, 入唔倒美國Ivy League/Top Tier大學？

問題係，點解LPC以較低嘅IB score，可以攞倒多咁多Ivy League/Top tier大學offer?

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中天英發表於 13-8-15 10:31
問題係，點解以往可以輸出大量Ivy League/Top Tier大學學生嘅「神級」學校，而家做唔倒？
問題係，點解以世 ...

問題係，點解LPC以較低嘅IB score，可以攞倒多咁多Ivy League/Top tier大學offer?
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會唔會就喺關視野問題？有禁多不同國籍既同學，好似開左半隻世界之窗禁，在top top U的interview中，對答都不一樣？著數d？

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Shootastar I have given my 2 cents on the reasons. Please see my post below. I am sure that given time to DBS and SPCC, they could perform as good as LPC in 10-year time. 發表於 13-8-15 12:16

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Regarding DBS, it seems that you have ignored (or slighted) University of Washington and Vanderbilt University (which are top 20 colleges ranked by US News) or UC Berkeley (2) which is ranked about 20 to 23 consistently throughout the last 10 year.
Further the admission to Stern of NYU is as difficult as (if not more) admission to any Ivy.

In case of their placements in UK colleges, they have offers from Durham (1), IC (1), LSC (1), UCL (5) U Cambridge (2) University of Oxford, University of St. Andrews as well.

They also have 3 placements of CU medicine, 2 placements of global business of HKUST, 3 medical placements of HKU and 3 law placements with HKU.

As parents, how much could you expect?

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As you said, the number of IB students of SPCC is 27. Out of this small class, they have the following placements:
(1) Hong Kong : HKU (14), HKUST (13) and CU (7). [I understand that amongst the offers from CU and HKU, they are offers from medicine and law].

(2) US: Carnegie Mellon, Cornell, UC Berkeley, UCLA(3)

(3) UK: Durham (8), IC (10), KCL (1), LSE (3), UCL (12), U Cambridge (1), U Oxford (1), St. Andrews.

Further, many local students would not apply to US colleges if they intend to study law or medicine and have a chance to study here.

I do not think all 27 students had applied to US colleges. Assuming that half of them did not apply, the number of students who applied for admission to US colleges is around 13 to 15. Out of these "few students" who might not be the top group of the class and who might not be US passport holders, how can one argue that the admission list is unimpressive?. Against these background and the placements in Hong Kong and UK, what else do you expect?

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可否分享UWC的優勢，如何以略低成績入到海外著名大學，未來如何保持優勢。

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Shootastar I hesitate to list out the factors which LPC has performed better than DBS and SPCC. See the post below. But given time to them, I am sure that both DBS and SPCC will be as good as LPC. 發表於 13-8-15 12:10

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It is true that the admission list of LPC is better than DBS or SPCC if your focus is on Harvard / Princeton / Yale etc.
However, US college admission is a very complicated matter. There is no formula which tells you the chance of admission. They would take into account of the following factors:

(1) your nationality. If you are not holder of US passport or green card, you will be considered as international students and the quota for international school is about 8% of the class size.

(2) GPA

(3) Standardized scores such as SAT or ACT.

(4) the public examination result

(5) the passion on a particular subject

(6) activities

(7) achievements (both academic, sport or others)

(8) services

(9) leadership experience and skill

(10) recommendations from the teachers and guidance counselor.

Good IB result is only one of the factors taken into account by the colleges.

We have to admit that DBS and SPCC is very young when they are compared with LPC which has more than 20 years to teach IB course. LPC knows very much the factors which are essential to the admission to US colleges. They know how to give the children to build up a personal profile which contains all the above factors to be considered by the admission committee.

DBS and SPCC (IB session) will need time to gain experience in building up its own reputation and stretching the potentials of its students in the above areas. In 10-year time, I am sure that DBS and SPCC will be as good as any international IB schools in Hong Kong.

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Very good information here but what I tend to do is not to over analyzing things. Most people do not have offers from SPCC/DBS/LPC/CIS/HKIS/GSIS simultaneously. Comparing subtle differences in these very different schools is not very useful. As parents, we should help the children to get into the best possible school that suits the children's style and continue to develop their best possible potential within the school.

20% less chance to get into Ivy, who cares?

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annie40 20% less chance to get into Ivy, who cares?. very well said. 發表於 13-8-15 14:12

The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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每次见到今期六合彩的累积奖金是八千万, 会开心几秒, 问自己要唔要买番张高高兴兴一两天, 而通常又唔记得投注.

大家如此落力地分析人家的彩池, 是否有点像我, 就是完全无份, 但睇见听见已经好鬼开心!

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Sumyeema1 haha, like!

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shadeslayer 發表於 13-8-15 13:24
Very good information here but what I tend to do is not to over analyzing things. Most people do no ...

As parents, we should help the children to get into the best possible school that suits the children's style and continue to develop their best possible potential within the school.

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That's what I think too....differences are subtle.

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小弟並冇意圖去否定／眨低呢三間學校嘅成就／地位，佢地攞倒嘅大學offer都好好；SPCC/DBS/DGS都係公認香港最Top嘅學校，公開試成績（IBD/DSE)達世界級，又雄霸學界運動／音楽多年，係好多家長／學生爭崩頭想入嘅「神級」學校。
我提出嘅核心問題係：---

點解以住多年，一直出現響呢三間學校嘅大學offer名字，如Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT等，而家會冇曬影？

點解一d學校，以較低嘅學科成績，居然取代左呢三間學校，成為Harvard, Yale, Princeton嘅心頭好呢？

呢d係關乎香港教育成敗問題，關乎香港人才培育問題，值得深究。

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Harvard/Yale/Princeton一直都係考慮眾多因素去取錄學生，唔係呢幾年嘅事；SPCC/DBS/DGS響過往果幾十年，已經輸送左大量學生入去，點解呢幾年斷曬㰖？
有咩野改變左？

點解呢d大學嘅offer去曬人地果度？

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ANChan59 發表於 13-8-15 11:59
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可否分享UWC的優勢，如何以略低成績入到海外著名大學，未來如何保持優勢。

ANChan59,
你知唔知外面升學顧問嘅行情？幫忙／指導入Ivy League要收幾多錢？

講笑啫，呢個問題比較覆雜，今睌得閒d先至大家採究一下。

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This is a good question.
Perhaps you have known, since the beginning of 2000, the US colleges (unofficially put the quotas allocated to Hong Kong to the quota of PRC). Although it has never been confirmed by any Ivy or its equivalent, you can analyse the admission list of the top local and international schools and found that the number of successful applicants to those colleges dwindle each year. It is because our students have to compete with the top horses in different provinces and major cities of the PRC.

Apart from this factor alone, the other factors listed in my earlier posts are also crucial. Good IB results do not guarantee admission. So long as you pass the bar (probably 38), it would be sufficient for the admission offer to regard you as a potential candidate and for them to consider other factors.

Regarding the SAT, Ivies usually require a minimum score. Usually if you do not have 2,250 or above, the chance of being admitted is not high (unless you have other strength which could override this factor). But please note that Ivies deny that they have a minimum score on SAT.

With so many factors which affect the chance of admission to Ivies or its equivalent, it is not fair to say that it is a failure of the school if their students of IB scores of 40 or over fail to be admitted to Ivies or top US colleges.