銅鑼灣聖保祿 vs 拔萃女小學

C.C.Lam

Hi Samuel,

You say the right.

Take it easy.

Tctsang

Zen 寫道:
marymame,

我是SPK家長．

據我所聞DGJS應該比SPC讀得辛苦些，似乎週週都要Test．至於家庭背景問題，都可以想像得到是什麼回事，但既然妳囡囡可以考到，我想你們的家庭背景應該與其他成功考入的相差不遠吧！

我建議妳將考慮重點放於學業方面．至於細囡，其實兩間都沒有保證，似乎無需過早擔憂．

我的囡囡今年都有幸得到小女拔萃取錄，我和太太亦已決定選擇小女拔萃，縱使然我的囡囡同樣考到德望、聖方濟各英文小學及宣道小學。但有一點是可以肯定的，就是女小拔並不太考慮家長的背景，因我們兩公婆都是打工仔一名，相反我認為小朋友的面試表現才是最重要。之前對聽聞很多對女小拔的收生標準傳言都不可靠。

2mings

Hi marymame
兩間都係好學校,讀是但一間都唔錯!!!既然如此,不如同你囡囡傾傾,問問佢鍾意邊一間吧?十二年係果到讀書返學既係佢,六歲既小朋友已經有個人既睇法!希望你囡囡有個快樂既童年!!!

bau

In fact I would like to raise up a question and want to have other moms’ advice. I believe that it should be very demanding in DGJS but if the kid have no initiative in managing their work and doesn’t like studying, even hardworking is not enough and not suitable for this school. If you think your daughter is only hardworking and she is unable to study under pressure and the most important thing is if she cannot take her own initiative, I think DGJS is not suitable for her, otherwise why don’t you let her to try in this good school.

It is not fair to her if just because you are worry about the youngest daughter and deprive this good opportunity for her to study in the best school.

I have a friend who have a twins ( a girl and a boy), both of them studied in the same private English primary school, the girl loves learning and the boy not, the girl studied very hard and she finally got into the DGS and the boy’s result was just so so and into a Band 2 secondary. My friend had worried his girl could not bear the great pressure and asked her to think carefully before choosing this school but her daughter insisted and during the 5 years, she studied very hard and she told her dad that even she had sacrificed a lot but she enjoys it and if she gave up studying in this school, she will feel regret on it.

This is just like the matching game and we can help but we cannot push.

The most important thing is to talk to the girl and ask what she prefers as she is the one that faces this great pressure.

Zen

bau 寫道:

The most important thing is to talk to the girl and ask what she prefers as she is the one that faces this great pressure.

但一個６歲的小朋友能否作出一個如此嚴肅的決定！？我有點疑問．

我想如由小朋友去選擇，她會就同學及學校環境去考慮．

麟媽媽

我都同意bau所講，要先看孩子是否適合讀呢類型的學校。有一朋友女兒在DGJS讀書，她要返工，女兒是自己溫習的。成績回來，有98分，她都很安慰，但之後知道全班最低分是97分，很多同學是100分及99分，心情禁不住沉下去....之後便是搵人替女兒補習，因媽媽要返工，靠放工才跟功課及溫習不夠時間用。
唉！孩子又不是成績差，起碼是自動自覺，但在咁既情況下，家長怕孩子趕不上，可以點？讀這類型的學校，全職媽媽好一點。

judy

我都同意bau所講，要先看孩子是否適合讀呢類型的學校。有一朋友女兒在DGJS讀書，她要返工，女兒是自己溫習的。成績回來，有98分，她都很安慰，但之後知道全班最低分是97分，很多同學是100分及99分，心情禁不住沉下去....之後便是搵人替女兒補習，因媽媽要返工，靠放工才跟功課及溫習不夠時間用。
唉！孩子又不是成績差，起碼是自動自覺，但在咁既情況下，家長怕孩子趕不上，可以點？讀這類型的學校，全職媽媽好一點。

讀這類學校，更不可有全職媽媽。通常全職媽媽會將全部心機摆在孩子身上。學校課程己够紧迫，阿媽又玩埋一份，孩子仲慘。

coolobserver

It depends on the expectation of the parents.    Some parents are notorious for the way they "coach/drill" their kids (e.g. getting private tutors - and there are lots of them who provide specialised services for DGJS students - to brush up their kids and then keeping it a secret from others).  If you mix with these parents (or get intimidated by them) then you can only add to your agony.  But if you sit back, relax, and do not get too bothered by the fact that your girl end up (for example) as a mid-ranking (or even mid/low ranking) student, then there should be little to worry about.  

2mings

不要小看幾歲大的小朋友,他們有自己既想法.我囡囡三歲半時已經可以好清楚話俾我聽佢鐘意邊間學校,要讀新這間學校(A),唔讀舊果間(B)!!!其實,我自己就覺得(A)既課室同玩具舊的,先生又嚴肅的,又要搭校車!結果,我們順從她的意願,俾佢讀新果間(A),到現在佢一樣咁鍾意新果間(A),仲話以後都唔再讀舊果間(B)!

到她五歲,我帶佢去我的母校(C)參觀,我問她鍾唔鐘這間(比A出名),但她都係話佢間(A)好的.唔知係咪叫情有獨鍾!

由 Zen 於 2005-01-17 17:26:39

但一個６歲的小朋友能否作出一個如此嚴肅的決定！？我有點疑問．  

我想如由小朋友去選擇，她會就同學及學校環境去考慮．

麟媽媽

如果是這類型的家長，睇怕不會替女兒報考DGJS，他們只會為女兒選些活動式教學，少點功課壓力，小朋友可開心地上學的學校。
只怕你不介意女兒排在榜尾，老師也追著叫你好好替女兒溫習呢！又或是好言相勸，替孩子找另一間更合適的學校。這就是呢D名校的運作嘛~~

coolobserver 寫道:
But if you sit back, relax, and do not get too bothered by the fact that your girl end up (for example) as a mid-ranking (or even mid/low ranking) student, then there should be little to worry about.  

sxking

你地講到DGJS好似係一間受地獄式訓練+極大壓力+高不可攀, 什麼要諗清楚才讓已經考到的準P1女生去讀??有冇咁誇?如果學校經interview後肯收，你都唔駛點諗啦!為可咁擔心?我覺得DGJS同其他名校一樣,希望學生認真學習,學到最好。唔覺得佢地既學生特別多壓力喎....(壓力來自家長),我識既DGS friends (all from DGJS)  全部都OK開心,但有一個共通點,就是家長過份緊張,D女變成不是很獨立,有什麼事阿媽就出頭. 或者是宜家D家長係咁?
名校間間差不多!

TATNET

Totally agreed with you (bau) -

       "The most important thing is to talk to the girl and ask what she prefers as she is the one that faces this great pressure."
   
       except -

        ".......ask what she TRUELY LIKES (AND BEST SUIT HER CHARACTER) as she is ........"
  
       Just tell the kid what the (DGJS) school life is about/ and what particularly that school is after.  Then, give your analyses as adult - pros and cons/ what best suite her character/ etc..   I believe that a 5-6 years-old girl can choose.   

        Let the peer gets together.   Let the cream be cream -  WHY NOT?  

Laura

我很同意呀
一個五,六歲的小孩已經有自己的意向, 不防聽聽她/他的看法吧.
還有,我不太清楚兩間學校的差別, 但如果兩所也差不多的話,給我選擇,考慮我是住近jordan 定cwb是須要的.

bau

If 97 is the worst in the class, I believe as the parents should blame their kids as this doesn't mean that her girl is not smart for 1 marks' difference and if the parents worry and find lots of way try to push her up, this will give great pressure to the girl.

I agree that not the school generate the pressure but from the parents and the surrounding relatives and friends only as they have too high expectation on the girls studying there.

We are not expecting the kids with high marks but just want the school can nurture them to develop independent thinking and problem solving skill. Who care you got 100 marks in english literature or history when you are work, all people care is the way you think and you handle the task.

DGJS is so famous because we find the girl there is very smart not only they got many 10As.

As there are so many chance to get a seat in university now, the reason why parents still want the kids to enter DGJS is they believe girls there can be developed better than or other schools.

Zen

2mings 寫道:
不要小看幾歲大的小朋友,他們有自己既想法.我囡囡三歲半時已經可以好清楚話俾我聽佢鐘意邊間學校,要讀新這間學校(A),唔讀舊果間(B)!!!其實,我自己就覺得(A)既課室同玩具舊的,先生又嚴肅的,又要搭校車!結果,我們順從她的意願,俾佢讀新果間(A),到現在佢一樣咁鍾意新果間(A),仲話以後都唔再讀舊果間(B)!

到她五歲,我帶佢去我的母校(C)參觀,我問她鍾唔鐘這間(比A出名),但她都係話佢間(A)好的.唔知係咪叫情有獨鍾!

[quote]由 Zen 於 2005-01-17 17:26:39

但一個６歲的小朋友能否作出一個如此嚴肅的決定！？我有點疑問．  

我想如由小朋友去選擇，她會就同學及學校環境去考慮．

[/quote]

但要小朋友考慮及決定是否可以承受讀書壓力，可以嗎？

2mings

如果想自己讀書讀得叻過人,無論係甚麼學校,都會有壓力!!!我侄仔唔使點溫書,都年年全級考第一,結果會考只得8A2B.而年年考第二果個卻10A!!! 結果..... 他很不開心..... 現佢唔再敢鬆懈,誓要F6保持全級第一!!!

如果冇要求,冇比較,就會冇壓力...... 不過,都冇進步!!!!

由 Zen 於 2005-01-18 10:08:41
但要小朋友考慮及決定是否可以承受讀書壓力，可以嗎？

marymame

Hello Zen and all other parents,

Thanks for all your valuable and warm reply.

我倆老都是在職人仕，工作時間長，丈夫更是中港兩邊走，受人二分四。
有幸大囡入了聖保祿幼稚園，並獲聖保祿收讀小一，幾年間多多少少都知聖保祿中小學的情形，雖然絕少揍女回校。好感激聖保祿，更欣賞聖保祿。
舊年人試我又試 DGJS，打定輸數。點知人生中真係有 D 重大決定要諗，十二年咁長，影響一世，因唔知DGJS 點升班，聽返

redapple

a.Talk with your daughter by using role play.  What do you like to be ,in a school ranking middle or low  , or in a school rank top but with less pressure.  
b.Think about her character, remains optimistic, cherrful while facing challenge?Always want to be the best or just okay?
c.Prepare for the worst, will you accept your daughter rank low in a top school in HK or you just want her to be okay but study happily.
d. DGS is one the the most difficult school to enter, will you feel regretted later?
There are really  girls who like and enjoy to  study in  top school than an ordinary school.

Zen

2mings 寫道:
如果想自己讀書讀得叻過人,無論係甚麼學校,都會有壓力!!!我侄仔唔使點溫書,都年年全級考第一,結果會考只得8A2B.而年年考第二果個卻10A!!! 結果..... 他很不開心..... 現佢唔再敢鬆懈,誓要F6保持全級第一!!!

如果冇要求,冇比較,就會冇壓力...... 不過,都冇進步!!!!

[quote]由 Zen 於 2005-01-18 10:08:41
但要小朋友考慮及決定是否可以承受讀書壓力，可以嗎？

[/quote]

問題是一個６歲的小朋友是否成熟到可以思考及決定這方面的事情？我囡囡就唔得，可能佢遲熟吧！

2mings

可以,不過係要由家長引導及觀察: -
1. 問囡囡是否願意一放學返黎,就自己做功課及溫書? (現在使唔使你三催四請先做?)
2. 放假都唔會點出街,要留在家中溫書,能否做到? (家長又得唔得?)
3. 係咪想考第一? 考唔到會點? (只會哭/ 更努力?)
如 1&2 都答願意,就要由即時開始實行.由家長視察囡囡既自發性! 3 既答案其實做父母既已早知子女是否一個輸得起既人!

話時話,我認識一位係女拔小既資深教師,佢話佢的女學生個個都好乖巧!比較煩擾同小事化大,鍾意係到鬥餐死既.... 係的家長!!!

所以,受壓果個,可能係阿爸阿媽多的! 想想未來十二年,每月收到既生日會繳請... 自己同阿囡又點搞生日會... 人地捐款多少... 人地著成點... 人地做咩生意... 人地有司機駕S系接送... 自己就...

如果上列一齊於你都冇問題,冇hard feeling... 小朋友更加唔會有問題.佢都係睇你啫!    

由 Zen 於 2005-01-18 11:18:57

問題是一個６歲的小朋友是否成熟到可以思考及決定這方面的事情？