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shadeslayer

ktschan 發表於 13-12-14 10:45
I really want to know where those vacancies are, it helps to allocate more evenly

問題是外國人來港，一定要搞定學位先。有心的本地家長，早點排隊，學好英文，等一兩年，也不是「很難」入國際學校。

shadeslayer

原帖由 SaBB 於 13-12-14 發表
香港政府咁無能 ，店會禁止，最多出下招鼓勵各校優先收外國人，你睇下北區幼稚園，又話一人一位，要註冊要 ...

最近 PISA 成績香港排全球第二。究竟差在那裡？

shadeslayer

FattyDaddy 發表於 13-12-15 17:15
By the above measure, Shanghai ranks numero uno, the top of the world, but we only see Shanghainese  ...

It is hardly convincing to draw a conclusion that either PISA has a problem or all Shanghainese have a problem by observing that not a lot of people are flocking to Shanghai for education and some Shanghainese go out of the country for education.  

shadeslayer

NoahArk 發表於 13-12-15 17:26
Do the PISA scores have any relevance in your planning?

Once I understand what other people think, I can talk about what I think.
It does not add up, right?  Second in PISA test and yet we are saying HK education is rubbish.

shadeslayer

PISA is for 15 years old students.  Perhaps students of Western countries surpass those of Asia countries after 15.


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Perhaps indeed.  Any test is designed for a certain age group and it does not mean that any other age group would be the same.  And it certainly does not take away the good results of 15 year olds.

shadeslayer

shadeslayer 發表於 13-12-15 18:37
It is hardly convincing to draw a conclusion that either PISA has a problem or all Shanghainese have ...

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FattyDaddy  Not convincing indeed, so the measure is quite useless  發表於 昨天 20:12




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Your conclusion was not convincing does not mean PISA as a measurement is useless.


PISA is a large sample test across many countries and cities and the results must have some truth in it. What we need is a way to interpret the results. What I merely pointed out was that some people has the perception that Hk education is rubbish but HK's PISA results are very good, not just one fluke, HK has been top 5 for at least 3 tests spanning 9 years. Why is there such a big difference between certain people's opinion and PISA results. Your answer was PISA is useless, I am not so sure.   There must be other reasons.

shadeslayer

112200 發表於 13-12-15 22:30
其實我係早幾曰第一次聽到pisa , 仲話香港排第二。但在香港我從來無聽過身邊有人代表香港去考pisa,有無人知 ...

Read this thread.
http://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2721410&extra=page%3D1

shadeslayer

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 13-12-16 發表
Some truth, whatever amount there is, had obviously not caused any significant change in terms of mo ...

Not a lot of people flocking in to study in Finland, right? And yet we all know Finnish education has a lot of merits.  

I trust scientific large sample tests which are taken seriously by many nations and generated a lot of discussions. It is ok if you trust that measuring the change in number of people coming in and leaving the country for education is a good indication of quality of education, and dismiss PISA without giving other reasons.

shadeslayer

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 13-12-16 發表
My point exactly, not a lot of people flocked to Finland before, and not a lot of people flocking to ...

You are saying PISA is irrelevant as a measure of education even though it has rigorous sample and tests. You base this on no-flocking.

I am saying flocking is irrelevant as a measure of education because it is arbitrary. There can be a million reasons why people are not flocking to Finland or Shanghai regardless of their education standard.

shadeslayer

Nope, I'm saying PISA scores do not represent the overall quality of education of a country or region because it is a very specific set of tests aimed at a very specific age group, no matter how rigorously the tests were conducted. It is like testing the performance of an engine rigorously and claim the result represents the overall performance of a car.

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I agree the test cannot represent the overall quality of education. Then again what can be used to represent the overall quality of education?  Probably nothing alone can.  The PISA result represents certain aspects of education which is still useful as an indicator for that particular aspect of education.

When someone said Hk education is rubbish, what do they mean?  Certainly not all aspects of HK education is rubbish, right?

shadeslayer

原帖由 Jackieson 於 13-12-17 發表
本帖最後由 Jackieson 於 13-12-17 16:36 編輯

上月EDB就在TKO批地建IS進行地區諮詢, 被LS校長會向區議 ...

如果冇本地人䜖 IS，咁多 IS 學額一下子點算。香港自由開，跟唔到坡仔嗰套。

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原帖由 ikerberg 於 13-12-20 發表
本帖最後由 ikerberg 於 13-12-20 09:40 編輯

i just pitty all those HK parents who wish to send the ...

Not only education, these people probably spend their own money on private prenatal check up and deliver babies in private hospitals. They are also likely to go to private doctors for all medical needs. Not to mention they do not qualify for any government housing benefits.  Yet they are just employees having to withstand huge stress and pressure.

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原帖由 ikerberg 於 13-12-20 發表
本帖最後由 ikerberg 於 13-12-20 14:20 編輯

回覆 Ruby1219 的帖子

I saw a year 8 history homework not long ago regarding "why do I think the reform of the Roman Empire was not necessary" or something to that effect.  Without  reading further, I thought to myself, wow, that is deep.

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原帖由 ikerberg 於 13-12-20 發表
本帖最後由 ikerberg 於 13-12-20 16:10 編輯

The main concern for the educators nowadays shall be h ...

It does not matter what time are we in, we still need professionals like doctors and lawyers. And for them hard cold facts are still important.

shadeslayer

While I agree with most of what you guys said here, I am a bit more optimistic on local education. The local system focuses on gaining knowledge and is good at producing professionals. It is just that the journey to acquiring knowledge is quite tough.

shadeslayer

I was just trying to find a movie to watch. I guess another sign of declining English in HK is that I thought there were more English version of Hollywood movies in the past. Now all but very few cinema show Cantonese dubbed version.

shadeslayer

原帖由 ckwliu 於 13-12-21 發表
Try the Hobbits.

Watched that. Thanks.

I was looking at Frozen.