IB課程之反思

candicemammy

原帖由 samsam123321 於 13-10-05 發表
如果真相是這樣，我估會有好多學生走堂。除非個professor 係西人，否則好多都廣東話講，英文課本。
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Is it the truth NOW?
I'll be shocked!!!!! Even at local high school, I was taught exclusively in English except Chinese and Chinese related subjects back then! And I don't recall any scenarios with Chinese Prof speaking Chinese during lectures!

I personally don't get the point of having BD with Eng B and Chi A. Chinese is very different from other European languages. HK Chinese do not have as much exposure to 'traditional' Chinese literatures as their counterparts in Europe and also it is totally a different story in Mainland China. Thus, getting high scores in Chi A is harsh while Eng B seems not enough :p

sschiu

ckwliu 發表於 13-10-5 14:46
Hey guys, don't understand why the debate is on whether Lang A is more "useful"or "better" than Lang ...

Can't agree more!

The beauty of the IB Diploma programme is the choices it offers for students with differing interests and strengths. It offers a wide variety of subjects at different levels. It can be tailored to suit individual needs. However, it's a pity that HK schools and parents are adopting it narrow-mindedly (though may be partially due to resources problems), just like the Logos case.

Comparing IB with DSE, which requires that students must achieve Level 3 in Chinese in order to be accepted by Jupas university places. A student talented in Maths or Science or Art whatever might have been shut out of the university doors! What kind of mentality is this?

poonseelai

sschiu 發表於 13-10-7 09:02
Can't agree more!

The beauty of the IB Diploma programme is the choices it offers for stu ...

Choosing DP subjects should be based on students' interest, university/career preference AND ability.  So I just cannot understand how can a school ask all students to take Chinese A.

RE JUPAS' requirement on Chinese, I think it is because in the old days students would have got at lease a pass in Chinese in HKCEE for them to be accepted to AL.  The question is that the current DSE Chinese includes Chinese Lit which was not mandatory in the former HKCEE.  Anyway it is good to see best 5 is becoming more popular as the selection criteria.

daisychan

ANChan59 發表於 13-10-5 04:57
這篇轉貼文章用了很多二分法的對比，我的看法在0 與1之間有不少組合及優次。

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ANChan59 發表於 13-10-5 04:57

[“我看不同學校可以對語文要求有不同理解，如果高比率 Bilingual Diploma，但大部份學生入讀的大學及學科只是普通，已反映大學如何評價學生的英文語文能力及真實成績，當學校贏到掌聲，學生不一定拿到更好的學位及機會，家長及學校是值得反思。＂]

當日和女兒商討轉校的其中一個原因正是因為學校只提供 English B，沒有 English A 的選擇。

前周末和女兒見面時，問她現在修讀 English A: Lang & Lit 的感覺，她的回應是，她很享受 Lang & Lit 的課程，說可以學習和欣賞一種語文，和 English B 是不一樣的＂境界＂。

[“現在學校終於開放英文A，已反映學校吸取教訓，回歸正宗的 Bilingual Diploma 定義，雖然遲左 d，但是有進步。”]

舊校當晚在家長會宣佈在今學年提供 English A: Lang & Lit(Standard Level) 時，特別提醒家長，若由 English B(Higher Level) 轉去English A: Lang & Lit(Standard Level) ，不單衹英文科深了，又要有另一科(e.g. Maths, Phy, Chem, Bio, Geog, Psy, etc.) 從 Standard Level升做 Higher Level. 是雙重困難。結果，好似今學年完全沒有學生修讀 English A. LOL

[“我嘗試參照不同大學的對照，例如港大醫學院的英文要求，A HL要4，A SL要5，B要7，我會將這批學生成績減 2 分作比較及分析。”]

我同意在修讀 English A(Standard Level) 和 English B(Higher Level) 之間，加埋一科由
Higher Level降落 Standard Level的安排，overall score是有 +2分的優勢。

但最終是要問問是求學問，還是求分數。

HKTHK

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"是求學問，還是求分數"  

kym

兩樣都咁重要。

hkparent

If they take Eng A, can they take Chi B? The effort should be the same. Is it foolish to take Chi A if it is not recognized in HK but the student has to study so hard on Chi literature?

But I think all local school students should take Chi A. If they take Chi B, shall we reduce their scores by two points?

hkparent

Or simply put it like this for comparison: if a student takes both Eng A and Chi A (eg SPCC), don't reduce any point. If a student takes Eng A and Chi B (eg DBS and most IS) or Chi A and Eng B (Logos), reduce by two points.

ANChan59

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DBS from this year onward, Chinese A as compulsory  or taking French or German.

caa

ANChan59 發表於 13-10-7 20:43
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DBS from this year onward, Chinese A as compulsory  or taking French or German ...

Is English A compulsory as well?

ANChan59

caa 發表於 13-10-7 21:06
Is English A compulsory as well?

By default.

caa

ANChan59 發表於 13-10-7 21:24
By default.

Wow both eng A and Chin A. If it were me who don't like chin literature and never think of pursuing a language related career, I would definitely leave for other IB schools such as Li Po Chun or CIS.

ANChan59

caa 發表於 13-10-7 22:07
Wow both eng A and Chin A. If it were me who don't like chin literature and never think of pursuing  ...

For IB Chinese Lang Lit, looks not the same as local Chinese curriculum.

caa

ANChan59 發表於 13-10-7 22:12
For IB Chinese Lang Lit, looks not the same as local Chinese curriculum.

I suppose the kids (and parents) don't like HKDSE program hence choose IB. So it is irrelevant whether Chin A is similar to local Chin curriculum. To me personally, I think getting into a real good university studying one's preferred subject is the most important. If the kid doesn't  like Chinese and not too good at it, why would a school force him/her to study Chin A which is unnecessarily too hard for him/her? It is not even a requirement of IB diploma or any university. Secondary school life, no matter how good IB program can be, is by no means comparable to university life. I will definitely go for a school and program that can give the best support and increase my chance of getting into my desired university!

shadeslayer

ANChan59 發表於 13-10-7 21:24
By default.

That is 100% BD at DBS and is compulsory!  Whoever cannot do both Chi A and Eng A don't even think about doing IB in DBS.

ANChan59

shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-7 23:24
That is 100% BD at DBS and is compulsory!  Whoever cannot do both Chi A and Eng A don't even think a ...

For the first few batches,  a few students permitted to do Chinese B, now school raised the bar.
In the last IB Admission Talk, some parents from ESF and IS complained about the Chinese admission test including literature critique.....

hkparent

I think SPCC has been doing both Chi A and Eng A. So cool. The 40 average score is a real score that we should highly applaud.

ANChan59

hkparent 發表於 13-10-8 00:51
I think SPCC has been doing both Chi A and Eng A. So cool. The 40 average score is a real score that ...

How can you find the evidence to demonstrate they all took Chi A and Eng A to achieve bilingual diploma and not smart route?
In previous years, they posted the choices of Language 1 and Language 2, if my memory don't fool me, Chi B was an option.

annie40

是求學問，還是求分數
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假如两者只能择其一, 我会選求學問!!!!  

人生路漫长,习惯于本末倒置的人, 容易养成为惯性的逃避行为.  结果的損失,一定比失掉一两分多很多, 很多吧!