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hinhinmummy

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Re: >>Please Help Mr X

stccmc

完全get到你想講mug野, 但係做人就係甘無奈?!

我有我的principle, 我不會好似其他人甘jumping queue, 我會主動同charity orginsation舉報!

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kittybuzz

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希望我都無估錯stccmc 講o既野啦!

我會覺得呢個就係the rules of the game! 你唔咁做, 大把人排住隊做!

hinhinmummy,
如果舉報有用就好lu!
多謝am 幫我搵個好英o既buzz 呀! 特此鳴謝!!!

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Blue

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Re: >>Please Help Mr X

This is very enlightening article; I'd say even though Mr. X falls behind the queue and is not able to get the medicine, his child would not suffer as they should have already inherited the good genes from their parents which make them stay healthy. Remember, family education and role modeling shapes a life-long footprint in your children's mind and this positive thinking attitude is what we need to conquer the virus in today's complicated world.

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toystory

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發表於 04-6-11 18:35 |只看該作者

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stccmc,

人生交

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stccmc


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stccmc


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hinhinmummy

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發表於 04-6-11 21:58 |只看該作者

Re: >>Please Help Mr X

stccmc

補充一句, jumping queue, 係無犯法, 警察只會勸喻queue up, 不會拉佢地, 係嗎?

如果我無get 錯你的meaning呢, 你所暗示的做法, 係犯法的.

現今的教育制度, 根本談不上制度, 要嗎, 你有錢咩? 去讀私校/直資, 政府樂得所有小學轉直資, 減輕她的財困.

我們呢班mr x, 只會係後面, 看住d 叻人係甘jumping queue, 可以點呢? 但係我相信, 我夜晚訓覺會訓得好安樂, 我會好理氣直壯, 教我個女不可以講大話! 做人要忠直!

不係嗎? 假設, mr x 因為這樣而取不到藥, 而女兒因此而病逝, 我相信, 如果我是jumping queue的人, 因為jumping queue而取到藥, 我會好不安樂. 所以我都係一d安份守紀的人.  寧可人負我, 千萬不可負人.  我要人內疚, 我不想我自己內疚.

我不會理其他人做法, 總之我不會甘做, 對得住我自己, 過到我自己的良心就已經可以啦.

我送野比人, 不需要人回報, 有當然開心, 但無呢, 我都開心, 因為.[size=large]施比受更有福

當然, 亦會有人好安樂的, 覺得心安理得, 一樣米養百樣人麻? 係嗎?

無需太介懐啦!

cheep up.

我以上的留言, 只是隨心所言, 絕無針對或者影射任何人

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hinhinmummy

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發表於 04-6-11 21:59 |只看該作者

Re: >>Please Help Mr X

"If you cannot beat the enemy, join them!"

人地做犯法的事情, 你都去做咩? 對得住良心就已經ok.

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stccmc


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hinhinmummy

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發表於 04-6-12 08:32 |只看該作者

Re: >>Please Help Mr X

"良心值幾錢?"  
- 不值錢, 但開心, 幸福不可以用錢衝量

"我夠竟係傻定有原則?"
- 從係平時的留言, 知道你係有原則的人

"這個社會係唔係張'誠實人當成水魚'?"
- 我諗無人會將誠實的人當成水魚, 但我好相信有身教呢會事.

"點解次次都要我做水魚?"
- 你係水魚咩? 我都係wor.

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judy

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發表於 04-6-12 10:28 |只看該作者

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排隊？免費？令我想起了前蘇聯和一些吃大窝饭的共產國家，排隊是這些國家的持有現象(聽說共產最終之目標將會達到按需分配，即你需要甚麽就有甚麽，而到時每個人之人格會非常高尚，達到毫不利己，專門利人)。反而，在資本主義社會，排隊現象就比較少見，除了慈善團體派米，很少出現结構性之排隊現象。因為在資本主義社會，出現排隊人龍，即表現需求增加，維利是圖的商人自然會加快生產，提供產品。

香港物資充足，而且慈善團體的員工的工資也豐厚，排隊除了出現插隊，通宵霸位之形象外，還不至於大規模之私相授受。在吃大窝饭的共產國家，負責派發物資的却有至上之權力。他會收起一部分送禮、一部分來换取利益、剩下的一部分，手下也會妥善處理。當然，也會有人排隊得到物資，但那是長時間排隊、插隊、甚至打架的結果，得到的，可能是劣貨。唉！誰說有免費午餐。

香港的津校，好一點的，也有很多人排隊。人多了自然有人落選。那麽，怎樣オ能更有把握將子女送入呢？聽聽那趙姓副校長之言吧：1.是誠意、2.也是誠意、3.都是誠意，這樣オ能叩得校長之門，這叩字，用得可傳神啊！那麽多人來叩門，來相求，那份自傲感多大啊！讓學子入學，即是幫了人，做了善事，那麽做善人的滿足感，筆墨又怎能形容呢？可憐學子，入學第一天受教的，不是學做一個正直有氣節的人，而是學會叩門，學會表達誠意。唉！誰說有免費午餐呢。

幸而，我們仍有私校直資，我們不用講血統、講運氣、講關係、講誠意。只要有實力，定可選到合適的學校。入學第一天受教的，將是香港的核心價值觀。

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ykwong

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發表於 04-6-12 11:08 |只看該作者

Re: >>Please Help Mr X

I don't think this story can really reflect the real situation.

First of all, there are serval ways in jumping the queue, but some of them are illegal, (borrow address); while some may not, but immoral, (go to Phillipine to get washed)

PS : some parents ask how to get quick washed in other topics, I tell you (the one who want to know)now, few years before, there was a tailor made tourist, go to Phillipine, 4 days trip, and get a quick wash. cost around 2,xxx-

For the illegal jumping, it should be the responsibility of the watchmen (govn't) to make it under control.

For the immoral jumping, somebody said this is how to play the game. I don't recognise it but i think different people have different value judgment. It is difficult to persuade them. And it  fact, it was recognised as smart people and the major characteristic of HK original motive (HK's value judgement). The child they have should be trained as the core member of our society, while you may not agree to that, but i think it is a fair comment   

For the charity bodies: in your story, it happened once only. But in the real world, it happens every year. So is this their responsibilties to cover up the loophole?

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ykwong

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發表於 04-6-12 11:14 |只看該作者

Re: >>Please Help Mr X

Judy:

入學第一天受教的，將是香港的核心價值觀。- Agree!

But 私校直資，有時都可講血統、講運氣、講關係、講誠意。



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kittybuzz

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發表於 04-6-12 11:24 |只看該作者

Re: >>Please Help Mr X

天父由day 1 做人開始已經比左好同壞我地揀, 但當你已經失哂信心,又迷路,又絕望的時候,見到有條好大機會行得通的捷徑, 會唔去試下行嗎 ?

坦白講, 我真係唔可以make sure 係d 咁o既情況下,我會唔會行捷徑(講緊係合法o既情況下), 所以hinhinmummy 你可以咁肯定, 我真係好佩服(係真心的, 絕無貶的意思)!

又係果句, 以上是個人意見, pls don't attack me!

多謝am 幫我搵個好英o既buzz 呀! 特此鳴謝!!!

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KKParent

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發表於 04-6-12 11:31 |只看該作者

Re: >>Please Help Mr X

To stccmc:

Thank you for sharing an beautiful article for those of us in BK. I hope we could share this experience to people around us.

I hope people will not against your article in personal or just particular in certain thing. Please BK parents try to digest the contents and the moral of that story. In our living world, not even HongKong, still have such as Mr.X and those A,B,C,etc.

Someone said, " We have freedom to do this, we have freedom to do that." But I bet that [someone] did not realize what is REAL FREEDOM's meaning AND [someone] will not consider others FREEDOM. In [someone]'s eyes, his freedom is freedom. In [someone]'s mind, his word is word.  We'r hardly to change [someone]'s mind because it's deeply deeply implant [someone]'s heart.

Mr.X can try to tolerant difference kind of people who jumping queue in front of Mr.X. Why those [jumping queue]'s people cannot? I am thinking, is it because they knew they broke the rules but do not want others speak in public and to be judged by others?

It is a case of conscience. What a good conscience! I was told "Conscience does make cowards of us all." Hope all Mr.X do not.

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judy

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發表於 04-6-12 12:01 |只看該作者

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ykwong,

同意，私校直資，有時都可講血統、講運氣、講關係、講誠意。但是，他們會自作自受。而只有守原則的私校直資オ能成名校。

1."講血統"，私校直資是在尋求定位，而津校之制度是纯血統。
2."講運氣"，在私校直資指的是當天之表現、所遇之教師和對手，而津校却是講抽獎。
3."講關係"，私校直資和津校無分别，只是私校直資的成本校貴和入肉。
4."講誠意"，很難講出分别。做人能真誠本是好的，例如我喜欢這學校才報名等。但津校校長是因為"益你"而希望你表現出有"誠意"，怎樣表示呢？私校直資當然也希望學生喜愛此校，但學生是其米飯班主，大家互利。所以，所要求之"誠意"，本質上也有分別。

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ykwong

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發表於 04-6-12 12:11 |只看該作者

Re: >>Please Help Mr X

What should Mr. X do:

If he could indicate which were jumping the queue illegally, he should tell the watchmen to arrest them: if he could

If he could indicate which were doing immoral jumping, especially these immoral jumping are really aganist the will of the charity body (faked wash!), he should tell the charity body.
if he could

In fact, he couldn't, because this is not a physical queue. He just knows there are some people jumped the queue, but don't exactly know who they are!

There are still many people can jump into the line; legally and morality. For examples, the real washed person. the one who has an elder brother/sister taking these medicine already. It is still unfair to Mr. X

What can he do even though those illegal and immoral are expelled? He may still out of the line.

To be fair enough, Mr. X should not join the line since in your story, he is a straight person. he should not line in any unfair queue. He should find his way out becaurse the unfair queue is not the only way to save his daughter. If he really care his daughter, he should find the most appropriate way for himself.

He should try to earn more money, to have treatment in private hosipital; He should do better research, to find out an easlier way for himself; (not doing wasting effort action, such as queue 15 hrs only before the day of issuing medicine, he should be well prepared before that night, since his daughter was not start to sick at that night, it started six to seven years before!);He should train up his daughter (and himself) so that her daughter is fit for other treatment provided by other bodies.

The charity bodies have its own value judgement, I assume that they will more accept the patient with similar value than those without. So he could blame to the illegal and immoral one, but not the one with similar value to the charity bodies.

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麟媽媽

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王國長老


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發表於 04-6-12 12:14 |只看該作者

Re: >>Please Help Mr X

首先多謝介紹呢個洗禮旅行團，算唔算福傳工作呢？哈！
不過請作此決定時先向心儀學校問清楚，亦請多點了解教會結構，以我所知有D傳統基督教名校只收自己church的領洗紙，例如你想考聖公會的拿住循道會的證書，sorry係唔計分的，係香港唔同支派都唔計喇，莫講issued in the Philippines。
至於香港天主教區的領洗紙，其實領洗紙不只是有小朋友的資料，還有父母名稱，父母邊方或雙方是否教友、代父母等資料.....我唔知made in the Philippines的係點，但如果又唔係菲律賓人又唔係個邊生活，你估教會/學校會唔知呢D技倆咩？教會學校入學之後有好多宗教活動的，到時教友學生多要參與其中(我以前個間可以講是compulsory)，請呢D家長好好跟進，免得日後小朋友在神父或修女面前難受。

stccmc,
唔好意思離晒題.......

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ykwong

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發表於 04-6-12 12:24 |只看該作者

Re: >>Please Help Mr X

I notice that some of the forums in BK look like a battle field. But we still have peace here. So I think we don't need to say "Don't attack me," "Just for discussion only, don't make it peraonally!" these words

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