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引用：而家連前校長、退休教師、評委會會員，都話

原帖由 mandycmt7 於 15-11-04 發表
而家連前校長、退休教師、評委會會員，都話TSA有問題，要檢討，都唔明仲有人死撐! 為撐而撐

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回覆：救恩學校宣佈不再參與TSA，因機械化評核，對學生無裨益

TSA唔夠深？咁點可以顯示到自己仔女高人一等呀？千祈唔好cut添呀

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回覆：救恩學校宣佈不再參與TSA，因機械化評核，對學生無裨益

其實很多家長由幼稚園開始已經谷個小朋友，逼他們上面試班，去操面試題目，考Cambridge, D題目咪又係非典型幼稚園生程度，為考試而考試的？我還以為有很多家長喜歡呢！

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TSA is not source of problem

source of problem is parent's mindset

if primary school is half day, i think many will ask their kid to study two primary school (just like what they are doing now for kindergarten)

how abt those cambridge exams? it's just so popular nowadays among parents

how abt those interest class? how many? 5, 6 , 7, 8, 9 per week?

i am so surprise so many people are so simple mind, and bring the issue is solely because of TSA... funny

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本帖最後由 Doray 於 15-11-4 22:13 編輯

點解覺得TsA有問題的人就係Simple-minded, 俾自已啲仔女讀谷到爆的人就好醒。從來冇人話過取消TsA就解決哂所有問題，冇人話香港教育所有問題都是因TsA而起，亦冇人將呢樣嘢同任何政黨政野掛鈎，但如果以為乜都唔理，政治就唔會影響到你，埋首迫子女学得深過人快過人就會成為勝利者，真係唔知邊個天真邊個儍！

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Doray 發表於 15-11-4 22:11
點解覺得TsA有問題的人就係Simple-minded, 俾自已啲仔女讀谷到爆的人就好醒。從來冇人話過取消TsA就解決哂 ...

If we now know that TSA by itself is not source of problem , why bother to spend effort to ask for stop TSA?

why we don't focus on the real issue behind? ===> parent

parent want good school

how they define good school

they believe good school is school that can help their kid to attend better secondary school

how those good school achieve that?

they ensure their school will have result such that B1 student % is high

how they can ensure their school can have high B1 %? Practice makes perfect

with or without TSA, school will keep doing the same, same workload to kids

why?

because with or without TSA, they will ensure they match the measurement at that moment ... that can help them keep high B1%

conclusion => source of problem is parent's demand

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回覆：救恩學校宣佈不再參與TSA，因機械化評核，對學生無裨益

有部份家長鐘意谷，有啲唔buy 谷，既然有冇TSA,都有部份家長會谷，TSA簡直多此一舉，只係害咗唔想谷嘅家長都要谷！that why 要cancel, understand?

強迫性TSA變咗全部要谷，冇咗，大家可自行選擇谷定唔谷。

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回覆：救恩學校宣佈不再參與TSA，因機械化評核，對學生無裨益

或者可以簡單d講，現今嘅政府真係會急市民所急，會為市民自我完善？唔先取消再傾下一步點做，咪即係俾時間呢個政府去諗計去繼續愚民。唔贊成取消的你們，煩請睇番今日嘅報導，唔得掂嘅回覆，係何其有心的想去解決問題？地方如果有急事，國家領導人需要外訪都會取消啦，有咩私人原因緊要得過你管嘅野而家出緊爭議性嘅大問題呀？

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a328 發表於 15-11-4 22:37
有部份家長鐘意谷，有啲唔buy 谷，既然有冇TSA,都有部份家長會谷，TSA簡直多此一舉，只係害咗唔想谷嘅家長 ...

no you are wrong, don't spread wrong logic to meet any hidden agenda behind

if school no need to attend TSA, but since parent's demand is still there

they will then focus on other measurement that helps, and start to practice on it

maybe that new measurement is call SAT, TTSA, AAST... or maybe it's existing measurement like P.6 TSA, or pre-S1

kid will still spend same effort on practice, with or without P.3 TSA

so the conclusion, call for stop P.3 TSA focus is dead wrong

focus should change parent's mindset, therefore school behavior will change

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ronniedad 發表於 15-11-4 22:41
或者可以簡單d講，現今嘅政府真係會急市民所急，會為市民自我完善？唔先取消再傾下一步點做，咪即係俾時間 ...

we should focus on whether what we try to achieve will help or not first

if it's not going to help, why spend effort on it?

why not spend effort on real issue behind?

unless there are hidden agenda, i will say it is good opportunity we should bring out the real issue to let society to widely discuss.... instead of just purely set the topic as stop P.3 TSA (which by itself is meaningless, as many EK member already bring out good points)

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引用：有部份家長鐘意谷，有啲唔buy+谷，既然有冇

原帖由 a328 於 15-11-04 發表
有部份家長鐘意谷，有啲唔buy 谷，既然有冇TSA,都有部份家長會谷，TSA簡直多此一舉，只係害咗唔想谷嘅家長 ...

絕對認同。講真，就算學校只要學生做一、兩本TSA練習，只須用15-30分鐘，試問下小朋友想用15-30分鐘時間玩定做練習？!我亦寧願用呢D時間作親子活動好過。

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回覆：救恩學校宣佈不再參與TSA，因機械化評核，對學生無裨益

見好多人嘅諗法係唔谷點入B1中學。如呢個係係讀書上的致勝法門，咁教局為何唔將所有官津校，一并用倒模方式，變成絕大部份都是呢類咁受歡迎的B1學校？咁讀唔讀到上去，由得用家食自己咪得囉！如果政策真係咁易的話，係人都坐到局長呢個位啦。

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mandycmt7 發表於 15-11-4 22:46
絕對認同。講真，就算學校只要學生做一、兩本TSA練習，只須用15-30分鐘，試問下小朋友想用15-30分鐘時間玩 ...

without TSA, there will still other practice to let student to do, if the current real issue behind didn't change

i don't see what you wish for will achieve even P.3 TSA stopped without the real issue behind change

your kid will still need to spend same time on practice, for other purpose that helps school to ensure they can remind good in B1 %

that's why the focus now on P.3 TSA is dead wrong, as already supported by so many facts

can parent who support this campaign wake up? can they spend their effort to really help their kids?

Doray

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本帖最後由 Doray 於 15-11-4 22:55 編輯

我諗你個所謂啲Hidden Agenda 是啲老師唔想自已學唔達標，唔想受壓力，你放心啦，一日有班怪獸家長喺度，一日都有陪你癲，冇人話要remove 哂所有評核，學校又视學，又外評，又內評，都夠啲老師忙到死吓死吓㗎啦，宜家係咪有幾佰間真資比家長簡，等佢地自由選啲冇咁谷的學校吖？

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ronniedad 發表於 15-11-4 22:47
見好多人嘅諗法係唔谷點入B1中學。如呢個係係讀書上的致勝法門，咁教局為何唔將所有官津校，一并用倒模方式 ...

parent want B1 school

there is limited B1 school

school want to ensure they remain competitive, or improve their competitiveness

practice make perfect

if no P.3 TSA, then practice other measurement to ensure they can keep as populate school among parents (good result)

no need to argue on above logic

currently call to stop P.3 TSA is dead wrong in focus

focus should be be back to parent's themselves , okay?

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Doray 發表於 15-11-4 22:54
我諗你個所謂啲Hidden Agenda 是啲老師唔想自已學唔達標，唔想受壓力，你放心啦，一日有班怪獸家長喺度，一 ...

many 真資 academic requirement are much higher then need of TSA

i already saw an example on P.1 good hope homework

kid spend lot of effort regardless there is TSA or not

but why parent so eager to let their kid to attend those 真資 school? Spend so many $$ and time on interest class, interview class, attend two kinder, etc to improve the hit rate?

it's so obvious problem is not from TSA

problem is from parent, majority of parents

clear enough?

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回覆：救恩學校宣佈不再參與TSA，因機械化評核，對學生無裨益

係啦，係而家d家長呀、校長呀、老師呀佢地變態犯賤啦，唔谷唔迫d小朋友真係會食唔安坐唔落。

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回覆：救恩學校宣佈不再參與TSA，因機械化評核，對學生無裨益

真係救命，唔明D人為撐而撐？!

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引用：Quote:Doray+發表於+15-11-4+22:11+點解覺

原帖由 CY0212 於 15-11-04 發表
If we now know that TSA by itself is not source of problem , why bother to spend effort to ask for ...

I think we agree that TSA is not the single source of problem, but not TSA has no problem.
TSA is meant to be a test to understand student's basic standard, however, today they (school/ teacher/ publisher/ education bureau) use it to push the limit.
TSA is meant to help school to improve, unfortunately it is now a weapon to kill the school.
TSA has transformed and became harder and harder. School needs to ask student to practice, needs to change syllabus and so on. And they are young kids who just stepped into a primary school. These kids should have enough play time & sleep time. They are learning the fundamentals & building confidence.
Yup, there are parents who would like to win on the starting line, go ahead, feel free to do it at their own choice. There are plenty of choice outside to fulfill their ego. Don't mess around with the public education.
One can say it is a chicken and egg issue, but we will only be able to see the dynamic when something changes, hopefully abandoning or at least a proper review of the P3 TSA could be a good starting point.

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mandycmt7 發表於 15-11-4 23:21
真係救命，唔明D人為撐而撐？!

i support for any effort that really can help

i do not support for such a simplified demand, that solve nothing but create more longer term issues

i think as parent we need to spend time to think

what is cause, what is consequence

TSA is not cause

ask for stop P.3 TSA and pretend that can help is dead wrong logic

clear enough?