香港教育

germanc0594

我真係越來越覺得教統局欺騙我地,尤其係不盡不實地欺騙大部份非教育工作的香港人,你們有空到這裡看看啊
hk.myblog.yahoo.com/germanc0594
因為我唔知可否在baby-kingdom打咁長篇的文章,所以叫大家去第二度睇.

櫺囹桼

睇左唔夠三分鐘→一篇名為“五改三”...“假設全港有100名學生,在中學分5個組別時,組內第一名與最後一名的同學可能學業上有20分的差距.但在中學分3個組別時,組內第一名與最後一名的同學可能學業上有34分的差距”

如果咁計法，band1第一名咪同band3第一名相差68分~搞笑！
(如此類推，band3尾咪個個捧蛋/接近捧蛋...？)

germanc0594

真係咁計架!全港學生分band的方法係將學生參加了某些全港性考試後,將全港學生排名,最好的33.3%係band1,中間的33.3%係band2,最後的33.3%係band3.我喺一間band3教了3年,真係有好多0分架!

germanc0594

其實我係希望大家知多d香港的教育,尤其係作為家長的你們,因為政府一定會以有利於自己的論點作宣傳,而將真相收埋.每個政策都有利有弊,政府只講好唔講衰.到底係利多於弊定弊多於利就真係好難講.不過最慘係決定政策的人是那些可能從未入過課室教書的高官.外行人管內行人.當年羅范椒芬當教統局常任秘書時,去了中大再進修教育碩士,受到不少人讚揚.我也認同她那刻真的有心,但相反,這是否某程度上反應了他對教育的不了解?

uncleedward

Changing from 5 bands to 3 bands was partially intended to reduce the labelling effect. However, the reality is the opposite. In the past 1/5 of students were labelled as 籮底橙 but now 1/3 were such labelled.

I was told by someone teaching F5 Chinese that last year the total marks (not average) for all her students in one class were 2 for the HKCEE.

A lot of students in so called band 3 schools are just rotting away their lives at such schools.

For most of the band 3 school students, S4 or S5, I have come across, their English is worse than most Primary 6 students from good schools ... and by a big margin.

germanc0594

係啊!我現在有個中三的小朋友話 '1/2 + 1/3咪就係2/5囉,通咩分母啊!加數咪加數囉".所以如果你的子女係屬於以前的band4但係現在就要同以前的band5一齊上堂,咁我只可以講聲唔好意思,我知道你喺我學校係成績中上的學生,但我仲要兼顧那些成績唔好的學生,他們差你太多了,所以我上堂時的例題可能會對你太容易,你可以多做書入面其他問題,有空時揾我再商量.

Vernique2005

Another interesting factor associated with this matter is the much lowered "average marks" in Band 1 schools.  Many Band 1 schools now have 70-75% as "average."  As far as I remember, getting 70-75% in band one schools 15 years ago was actually quite disastrous. :)  When seeing students' report cards, I'm always shocked, and the younger generation will say, "Hey~ I guess this is just 'generation gap'. Students nowadays don't aim so high anymore...."  wahhahhhahahahah Yeah.. I guess I am getting old...

BTW, uncleedward, how are you? Haven't seen you for a long time! :)

uncleedward 寫道:

Changing from 5 bands to 3 bands was partially intended to reduce the labelling effect. However, the reality is the opposite. In the past 1/5 of students were labelled as 籮底橙 but now 1/3 were such labelled.

I was told by someone teaching F5 Chinese that last year the total marks (not average) for all her students in one class were 2 for the HKCEE.

A lot of students in so called band 3 schools are just rotting away their lives at such schools.

For most of the band 3 school students, S4 or S5, I have come across, their English is worse than most Primary 6 students from good schools ... and by a big margin.

curious1

Absolute mark comparison in two different periods of Band 1 students may not be fair.

If exam papers are more difficult today than in the past, students will get lower marks, disregarding their abilities.

I kown band one students in DSS. Their exam papers are really difficult (e.g. exam time is almost double that of other EMI). Even the top students can get only 70+ marks in a few subjects.

judy

Changing from 5 bands to 3 bands was partially intended to reduce the labelling effect. However, the reality is the opposite. In the past 1/5 of students were labelled as 籮底橙 but now 1/3 were such labelled.

uncleedward,

所以，將學生分成五個banding和三個banding都不好，基本上不應分banding。

將學生分banding，在世界上可說少有，而選校方面，band1學生先選，然後オ是band2，最後才band3，這樣的方法，有沒有違反人權呢？

我們看看現時之小學生，位於九龍城之名津校學生之成績和位於深水埗之街坊福利會小學之成績分別不會太大，行為也不至太偏差。但中學一分banding，進入band3的學生，則無論行為上、學績上都受到不良之影响。

一條龍，一條龍是最好之方式。政府應強制學校一條龍運作。

germanc0594

外國唔會分band,不過外國就多數無統一派位,你想報邊間就考邊間.所以又係有好有唔好.

sudoku

各位高人，請問小朋友考唔到一條龍(名)小學，是否轉去讀國際學校可能會好嗎?

germanc0594

其實好視乎你對你的小朋友有咩期望,同埋你想你的小朋友讀咩中學?不過我身邊好多同事都係讓仔女讀國際學校.

virgokaren

讀國際學校真係開心好多，我朋友果對囝囡，每天放學都係玩，係playground玩一兩個鐘，放假又係玩。

雖然都有讀下普通話，但一星期至上一次，寫少少中文字。
佢地無考試呢個concept，今年唔識就出年讀，出年唔識就後年讀。

雖然我唔知佢地學術上是否達標，但一口流利的英語，寫英文故事都有版有眼，至少第日去外國讀書唔駛擔心佢地有語言隔膜，再加上香港人咁敬重英文人，讀國際學校抵好多！

mattsmum

germanc0594 寫道:
我真係越來越覺得教統局欺騙我地,尤其係不盡不實地欺騙大部份非教育工作的香港人,你們有空到這裡看看啊
hk.myblog.yahoo.com/germanc0594
因為我唔知可否在baby-kingdom打咁長篇的文章,所以叫大家去第二度睇.

I can't find that article. please give me a link.

germanc0594

germanc0594

sorry,其實都係同一個blog,不過你睇網誌分類的 '我份工'就會有有關教育的感想.

uncleedward

Dear Vernique2005

It is nice to see so many acquaintances here. I've been away from BK for almost ten months because I was in and out of hospital during this period. Fortunately, things have settled down a bit now (I hope).

Back to your point, I suspect it has also something to do with the change from 5 bands to 3 bands. The diluting of band 1 students was more serious than  the top schools originally thought. That is why we have heard all these adverse stories about King's, Wah Yan or even Queen's. And that is also why schools like your alma mater have taken advantage of the government's weired policy and changed into DSSs.

But be assured that the top students are still as good as those in the old days.


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Vernique2005 寫道:
Another interesting factor associated with this matter is the much lowered "average marks" in Band 1 schools.  Many Band 1 schools now have 70-75% as "average."  As far as I remember, getting 70-75% in band one schools 15 years ago was actually quite disastrous. :)  When seeing students' report cards, I'm always shocked, and the younger generation will say, "Hey~ I guess this is just 'generation gap'. Students nowadays don't aim so high anymore...."  wahhahhhahahahah Yeah.. I guess I am getting old...

BTW, uncleedward, how are you? Haven't seen you for a long time! :)

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囝囝爸

Uncleedward:

祝你早沾勿藥, 上 BK 多所暢談.

uncleedward

Dear Judy

I am not sure 一條龍 is the best solution. It will limit the upward mobility of the good students. Don't forget we have many elites in our communities coming from 街坊 primary schools. Don't forget that our old system has given us people like our Chief Executive and Secretary of Justice.

The point I dislike most regarding the current education reform is the policy on DSSs. It's absolutely disgusting to use taxpayers' money to subsidise schools like St Paul's Co-ed or DGS/DBS and at the same time allow these schools to charge whatever school fees they see fit and admit whoever they feel like to. Only such things can be tolerated in Hong Kong. Imagine that the UK government decided to subsidise Eton while allowing Eton to choose what students to admit.

judy 寫道:
[quote]Changing from 5 bands to 3 bands was partially intended to reduce the labelling effect. However, the reality is the opposite. In the past 1/5 of students were labelled as 籮底橙 but now 1/3 were such labelled.

uncleedward,

所以，將學生分成五個banding和三個banding都不好，基本上不應分banding。

將學生分banding，在世界上可說少有，而選校方面，band1學生先選，然後オ是band2，最後才band3，這樣的方法，有沒有違反人權呢？

我們看看現時之小學生，位於九龍城之名津校學生之成績和位於深水埗之街坊福利會小學之成績分別不會太大，行為也不至太偏差。但中學一分banding，進入band3的學生，則無論行為上、學績上都受到不良之影响。

一條龍，一條龍是最好之方式。政府應強制學校一條龍運作。

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uncleedward

Thanks and I've enjoyed reading your recent posts on Kumon.

囝囝爸 寫道:
Uncleedward:

祝你早沾勿藥, 上 BK 多所暢談.