ESF vs UK State School (Top 5%)

Azzurro

香港某些人經常說香港教育制度朝令夕改。。。

BBC: 专家批英国教育政策“朝令夕改”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/china/stud ... cation_policy.shtml

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Poyau

sainsbury 發表於 23-6-6 15:21
Thanks for the info.
I guess qualifying the 11+ getting a place in (good) grammar schools is already ...

Tutoring could help to some extent and its effectiveness depends on a more important factor - innate ability e.g. Spatial not easy to train up

964000

我朋友住在英國，去考grammar school,
她說大部分都係亞洲人和印度人去考

sainsbury

Poyau 發表於 23-6-19 18:08
Tutoring could help to some extent and its effectiveness depends on a more important factor - innat ...

Yes agreed and I guess tutoring mainly helps with the format. But as I can see those questions, like those 學能測驗 things, have specific logic. More training might help familiarize yourself with those ways of thinking thus getting the correct answers.

sainsbury

964000 發表於 23-6-19 19:34
我朋友住在英國，去考grammar school,
她說大部分都係亞洲人和印度人去考

Yes some grammar schools like the Reading School have student mix of Indians being the majority. And the best performing state primary schools in London are dominated by Indians. Bright kids whose families can pay will go to independent and won't fight for grammar school places I assume.

Goodluck2022

For bright students, they should aim for ivy league schools in the US.

UK doesnt have many high paid jobs.

U can tell from the average salary for doctors and lawyers in the UK.

sainsbury

Goodluck2022 發表於 23-6-20 19:06
For bright students, they should aim for ivy league schools in the US.

UK doesnt have many high pai ...

If "high paid job" is considered then one may just stay in Hong Kong saving all the money and hassle. And indeed Sammy Leung's son just came back from Brighton College for medical school in Hong Kong.
Btw do you have FP?

Apple_Orange_T

mandy_ng207 發表於 23-5-27 17:13
ESF行IB，PYP重啟發，academic standard 不太rigid（個人感覺），完全係「因材施教」，無咩benchmark 要達 ...

謝謝解答，這是否就是有些學校分set嘅意思？

mandy_ng207

Apple_Orange_T 發表於 23-6-29 13:15
謝謝解答，這是否就是有些學校分set嘅意思？

英制學校有分set，IB似乎無。我主要想講IB對學生無「合格」嘅要求，返咗學就得，而「英制」似乎都有啲「合格」嘅標準，咁唔同set嘅要求係有啲唔同，最高同最低set可以差半年嘅程度。

FennieMan

我以－個’用家‘媽媽身份答你。我對女（孖女），由細到大都係讀ESF, 兩個同樣地考Kent 某間grammar school 都收咗，不過，最終，我先生都係比佢哋讀boarding school 而放棄咗grammar school, 大孖返去讀Y9, 細孖返去讀Y12.
細孖喺ESF 考IGCSE，成績都非常好，所以，我唔覺得ESF 比state school 差。

eit2003

既然擔心入唔到grammar, 甘不如留係香港esf一條龍算，起碼有 d edb 既特殊野暫時都唔會係 ischool入面出現。

sainsbury

FennieMan 發表於 23-7-5 21:47
我以－個’用家‘媽媽身份答你。我對女（孖女），由細到大都係讀ESF, 兩個同樣地考Kent 某間grammar school ...

Thanks for your sharing. Yes indeed many parents say ESF is not academically vigorous enough and fighting for a grammar school place (depending on which tier of course) could be very demanding in terms of preparation. Did you take additional courses for your daughters before sitting the 11+? And did you take the exam in UK with an address there? Some of them have catchment. Thanks!

sainsbury

eit2003 發表於 23-7-5 23:12
既然擔心入唔到grammar, 甘不如留係香港esf一條龍算，起碼有 d edb 既特殊野暫時都唔會係 ischool入面出現 ...

Yes seems a better option than a comprehensive in uk, if no grammar or good boarding.

FennieMan

sainsbury 發表於 23-7-6 10:09
Thanks for your sharing. Yes indeed many parents say ESF is not academically vigorous enough and fig ...

當年要考UKiset , 所以就搵咗個老師補數學、因為學校未教。
我地有屋喺英國 (就係喺Kent 嗰間學校既catchment zone), 申請grammar school 時，要比地址證明，先可以安排考筆試和interview . 當年我先生有同grammar school 溝通過，知道我兩個女喺香港讀書，所以，就安排咗7月頭（－放暑假即飛英國）去學校interview 和考筆試。

Cusausa

唔好意思，離少少題，介唔介意分享小朋友本身ESF 行IB制，到英國要轉GCSE 難適應嗎？ 我小朋友都係小學IB，始終覺得IB同Uk 教學方法唔係太一樣，亦都擔心內容唔夠英國curriculum咁structured /「深」— 介唔介意分享你兩位小朋友嘅transition? 謝謝!

964000

Cusausa 發表於 23-7-6 20:44
唔好意思，離少少題，介唔介意分享小朋友本身ESF 行IB制，到英國要轉GCSE 難適應嗎？ 我小朋友都係小學IB， ...

大部分ESF中學都要考IGCSE, 所以佢地兩邊都會準備，應該不難適應。
香港好多IS都在不同年級中有IS+英制，當然也有純英制/純IB.

Cusausa

964000 發表於 23-7-7 17:00
大部分ESF中學都要考IGCSE, 所以佢地兩邊都會準備，應該不難適應。
香港好多IS都在不同年級中有IS+英制， ...

I see, that makes sense - thank you so much! My kids are going to a pure IB school and hence I wonder how difficult is it for them to transition into the UK curriculum in the future… and would say making the switch at Y6 / Y7 be too late?

Ps. Our kid fits well with our school’s program at primary years so we are not quite motivated to switch if we continue to stay in Hk - just thinking we do need to plan ahead if we were to move back to the uk one day.

Grateful if anyone may share any similar experience / thoughts. :)

Poyau

sainsbury 發表於 23-7-6 10:11
Yes seems a better option than a comprehensive in uk, if no grammar or good boarding.

ESF May 2023 IB average 36.1
It translates into DfE APS Grade B+
comparable to Top-100 state and
in line with indies average

England State schools/colleges
Rank by DfE 2023 A level APS
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#1-10

[King's College London Maths School]
Queen Elizabeth's School, Barnet
Wilson's School
Colchester Royal Grammar School
[Newham Collegiate Sixth Form Centre]

The Henrietta Barnett School
St Olave's and St Saviour's Grammar School
Reading School
The Tiffin Girls' School
King Edward VI School

#11-20

Brampton Manor Academy
Pate's Grammar School
Michaela Community School
[University of Liverpool Mathematics School]
[London Academy of Excellence]

JFS
The Blue Coat School
Colyton Grammar School
King Edward VI Grammar School, Chelmsford
Dr Challoner's Grammar School

#21-30

Tiffin School
Altrincham Grammar School for Boys
Kendrick School
King Edward VI Camp Hill School for Girls
Altrincham Grammar School for Girls

Chelmsford County High School for Girls
Dame Alice Owen's School
The Latymer School
King Edward VI Camp Hill School for Boys
[Exeter Mathematics School]

#31-40

Bishop Vesey's Grammar School
St Michael's Catholic Grammar School
Sale Grammar School
Beaconsfield High School
Dr Challoner's High School

Sutton Grammar School
= Ripon Grammar School
= Sir William Borlase's Grammar School
Sutton Coldfield Grammar School for Girls
Holland Park School

#41-50

Mossbourne Community Academy
Yanveh College
The Judd School
Sir Thomas Rich's School
Colchester County High School for Girls

The Charter School North Dulwich
= Nonsuch High School for Girls
= The RGS, High Wycombe
The Camden School for Girls
Aylesbury Grammar School

#51-60

Menorah High School for Girls
Stratford Girls' Grammar School
Chesham Grammar School
King Edward VI Five Ways School
Wallington County Grammar School

Wycombe High School
[Hills Road Sixth Form College]
St Andrew's Catholic School
Bishop Wordsworth's CofE Grammar School
The St Marylebone CofE School

#61-70

Newstead Wood School
Langley Grammar School
Sandringham School
The Skinner's School
Wallington High School for Girls

[Sir John Deane's Sixth Form College]
Lady Margaret School
JCoSS
West London Free School
Royal Latin School

#71-80

Aylesbury High School
Twyford CofE High School
Loreto Grammar School
[Woodhouse College]
St Paul's School for Girls

The King's School, Grantham
Hasmonean High School for Girls
Archbishop Holgate's School
Tunbridge Wells Girls' Grammar School
The St Thomas the Apostle College

#81-90

Westcliff High School for Boys Academy
St Peter's Catholic School
= Rugby High School
= Sir Henry Floyd Grammar School
Invicta Grammar School

Lancaster Royal Grammar School
The London Oratory School
= All Hallows Catholic School
= Woodford County High School
Bartholomew School

#91-100

Ashcroft Technology Academy
Parmiter's School
AIM Academy North London
Paddington Academy
Horsforth School

AldridgeUTC@MediaCityUK
Bournemouth School for Girls
Somervale Secondary School
Newport Girls' High School Academy
Lancaster Girls' Grammar School

[Sixth form only]

Source: DfE
https://www.compare-school-performance.service.gov.uk/schools-by-type?step=default&table=schools&region=all-england&for=16to18&schooltype=5,4,1,2,6

宮二

sainsbury 發表於 23-5-22 17:59
回覆 chima_pigpig 的帖子

認同讀到11+先試考嗰邊grammar school似乎比較進可攻退可守啲，不過可能嗰邊啲 ...

State primary 基本上係不會、政府亦不容許操11+
私校就睇下邊間，定位係考grammar的就會操，定位考私校的就唔會。

識得考到11+的都係要自己揾補習操卷
而考到的又多數係來自private prep
（我可能識人少會有bias）

至於以前喺香港係讀IS定local、私校定津校，同考唔考到反而無咩關係
要點係早啲揾返啱同有經驗嘅補習老師和練習來預備

另外UK相對香港出路多同闊，non academic 都有好多出路。如果諗住要academic 就全世界一樣無免費午餐，只可說適合academic 嘅就自然一樣快樂學習