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回復 annie40 的帖子

You are right, I am biased on the term, my assumption is a great tutor may not a 天王。
As you said, may not mutually exclusive.

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shadeslayer  My view is close to yours in this, i may also be biased.  發表於 13-4-16 21:00
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to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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發表於 13-4-17 13:27 |只看該作者
Tutoring Spreads Beyond Asia's Wealthy
By LIZ GOOCH  Published: August 5, 2012

SINGAPORE — On the second floor of a Singapore shopping center, five boys and two girls sat in a small room with the blinds drawn, a whiteboard the only object on the lime-green walls.
 
Edwin Koo for the International Herald Tribune
Natasha Christopher teaching a class at the Raffles EduHub center. The organization was founded by Dr. Zhong Rui Wen, who is seated at rear.

Jordan Goh, 12, who began receiving after-school tutoring two years ago, went up to the board to answer a math problem about time and distance, while Dr. Zhong Rui Wen, the founder of the Raffles EduHub, a tutoring center, gave pointers from the back of the room.

“This place, it has been helping me a lot,” said Jordan, who attends the center three afternoons a week. “It drills me on stuff that I don’t understand.”

Every week, about 150 children attend this center, just a handful of the many students taking private tutoring across Singapore, where attending extra lessons after school has become the norm.

Once the domain of the elite, private tutoring has become widespread across Asia, according to a report released in July by the Asian Development Bank and the Comparative Education Research Center at the University of Hong Kong.

The report quoted studies, polls and other sources as saying that 97 percent of all Singaporean students, nearly 90 percent of South Korean primary students and about 85 percent of Hong Kong senior secondary students receive tutoring.

Perhaps more surprising is the prevalence of tutoring in poorer countries. According to various studies, 60 percent of primary students in the Indian state of West Bengal receive tutoring, while a similar proportion of senior secondary students in Kazakhstan attend extra lessons.

Researchers say that private tutoring, which they call “shadow education,” can help students academically, but they also found that the quality of instruction varied substantially.

The number of Asian parents spending heavily on extra lessons has increased, according to the report, “Shadow Education: Private Supplementary Tutoring and Its Implications for Policy Makers in Asia.”

“It is becoming a pan-Asian phenomenon and indeed a global phenomenon,” Mark Bray, an author of the report and the director of the Comparative Education Research Center at the University of Hong Kong, said by telephone.

Many Asian families devote vast sums to supplement government education. “The most dramatic number is Korea,” said Mr. Bray, who is also a professor of comparative education at the University of Hong Kong, “where households are spending the equivalent of 80 percent of what the government is spending.” The report said that for students in government secondary schools in Bangladesh, an average of 41.9 percent of the total household cost of education was spent on private tutoring.

Tutoring can range from one-on-one sessions taught by neighbors or older students to classes at franchised centers, as well as over the Internet.

The report also described how “star tutors” who can fill lecture halls have become a phenomenon in places like Hong Kong.

It cited two South Korean celebrity tutors: Woo Hyeong-cheol, who reportedly earns $3.9 million per year offering Web-based math classes to 50,000 students; and Rose Lee, “the Queen of English,” said to earn $6.8 million per year, also through online classes.

Mr. Bray said increased job competition was one of several causes for the rise in demand.

“One of the major factors is globalization, that families are no longer competing with their own neighborhood — they’re competing with the region and the world,” he said.

In some poorer countries, like Cambodia, perceived weaknesses in the school system could also prompt parents to turn to tutoring, Mr. Bray said.

Teachers in Hong Kong and Singapore are not permitted to tutor their own students privately for additional pay. But teachers in other countries who do so for extra income may also be bolstering demand.

Pakistan, where 60 percent of the population lives on less than $2 per day, is example of a developing country where demand for tutoring has spread beyond wealthier, urban centers.

In the rural part of Lahore, 44 percent of private school students and 32 percent of government school students had private tutoring last year, according to the Annual Status of Education Report, a survey conducted by Idara-e-Taleem- o-Aagahi, or the Center for Education and Consciousness, on behalf of the South Asian Forum for Education Development. In the urban area of Lahore, that number rises to 60 percent.

“It can be said that the incidence of private tutoring is lower in relatively poorer areas,” Baela Raza Jamil, the director of programs at Idara-e-Taleem-o-Aagahi, said by e-mail. “However, it is definitely no more a phenomena limited to the wealthier families of the country.”

Over all, 24 percent of Pakistani students who attended private schools reported taking supplementary tutoring last year, while the figure was 7 percent among government school students.

“Because of the increased competition for higher learning outcomes,” Ms. Jamil said, parents who can afford it are providing supplementary tutoring for their children.

The Federally Administered Tribal Areas had the highest level of private tutoring in Pakistan, with almost half of private school students and a quarter of government school students receiving tutoring, a rate Ms. Jamil attributed to the fact those schools often close because of conflicts along the Afghan-Pakistan border.

The report found that tutoring could worsen social inequalities, cause stress for families and reduce the time students spent on other activities.

A recent letter in The Straits Times, the biggest newspaper in Singapore, said that many parents wanted a more balanced education for their children and that social mobility might be affected by the heavy reliance on extra tutoring, also known as “tuition.”

“How can we tell ourselves that all students stand an equal chance of moving up the social ladder when success in our education system is highly dependent on the extra tuition and enrichment lessons that wealthier parents can afford and poorer parents cannot?” read the letter, by Wily Wan.

Researchers say they are also worried about the impact tutoring is having on formal education.

“Even in societies where teachers are not allowed to tutor their own students,” Mr. Bray said, “if teachers think there is a safety net, they may be less concerned about working hard, about doing what arguably should be their job of helping children, of making sure the children understand and so on.”

The researchers recommended that governments more closely monitor the tutoring industry and consider possible regulations. The report also suggests that policy makers look at improving mainstream education to make supplementary tutoring less desirable.

But it seems as if many parents in Asia still feel that tutoring is necessary.

Dr. Zhong, a medical doctor and child psychiatrist, said her tutoring center in Singapore was only for students whose grades are average or below average — children who she said often required more attention than they received in school. She says she believes that students can combine tutoring with other activities and that she does not want her students to neglect pursuits like sports.

Jordan Goh’s mother, Judy Hii, sent him to the center to help him with the primary school final exam, which will determine which secondary school he attends.

“Because of the limited time the teacher has with them, they really do need help,” Ms. Hii said. “The school will say, ‘Leave it to the school,’ but somehow it’s just not enough.”

She thinks that the extra lessons have paid off because Jordan passed his last mock exam after 10 days of intensive drilling at the center.

Referring to Dr. Zhong, Ms. Hii said, “She did some miracle work.”

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回覆:中學津貼DSE考生 補習社上堂

囝囝爸,

Yes, we all know Asian parents are crazy about tuitions.  I am not sure your article indicates that tuition is a good thing or a bad thing.



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囝囝爸  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20085558  發表於 13-4-17 20:15
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發表於 13-4-17 21:38 |只看該作者
囝囝爸  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20085558  發表於 1 小時前

xxxxx

I still fail to see the point of the two articles.  Who does not know tutoring is popular in HK and other parts of Asia because of the exam pressure.

Your understanding of the articles?

Or your views on the topic?
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發表於 13-4-17 23:27 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 囝囝爸 於 13-4-17 23:35 編輯

shadeslayer :

兩篇文章,只是反映一些現時亞洲或至世界補習的普遍現實。你知道的現實,未必是全盤現實。我從文章中知道亞洲落後國家的補習狀況,也是我新知現實。另題「不補習的高分」,有幾位家長陸續講出各樣不同各自現實。你到 EK 小學、中學、甚至幼兒版去,又會有大量的進行中的補習現實。

文章不難理解,補習深化,是亞洲社會富裕、但貧富懸殊、學業不能定終生,但能顯現將來你處於強弱兩邊的端倪。所以無論學生、家長、學校都不會錯過提升機會。世界一體化,本土教育未必完備,韓國學生多補英文,香港國際校生補中文,本土生有錢出國留學理想選校選科,也要看成績,祈望心切,有得補點會放過,當然各自功值不等,成效不同。

我本身反對補習,但以前說過有需要補就補,但要看成效,因人而異,適時而變。

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發表於 13-4-18 00:07 |只看該作者
囝囝爸 發表於 13-4-17 23:27
shadeslayer :

兩篇文章,只是反映一些現時亞洲或至世界補習的普遍現實。你知道的現實,未必是全盤現實。 ...
I typed some Chinese and got accidentally deleted!   As I said, who does not know Asia parents are crazy about tuition classes.   I don't need two articles written by westerners to tell me. Just because everyone is doing it does not make it the right thing to do.  If there is a need to do tuition sensibly, it is ok.  As I said in the past, I am not against tuition categorically.  However, looking at EK and typical HK family, many of them are doing it with the wrong reasons, at least the reasons I don't think are valid.  還記得盲搶鹽嗎?

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annie40  Just because everyone is doing it does not make it the right thing to do.!!!  SO TRUE!  發表於 13-4-18 14:51
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發表於 13-4-18 00:52 |只看該作者
shadeslayer :

我和你相反,多年來我喜歡看其他國家的教育版和新聞,其中談及有關亞洲教育的,尤其感興趣。

當局者迷,旁觀者清,客觀陳列事實的文章,應不比論斷利弊的家長意見、導演、專欄作家、社會翹楚、教育學者所作的教育高見為差,此等老生常談的文章在 EK 見到不少。

如果槍鹽持久深化,半數以上居民所為,我們就要認真探索其背後原因。

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引用:shadeslayer+:我和你相反,多年來我喜歡看

原帖由 囝囝爸 於 13-04-18 發表
shadeslayer :

我和你相反,多年來我喜歡看其他國家的教育版和新聞,其中談及有關亞洲教育的,尤其感興趣 ...
這些文章是寫比鬼佬看的。指出亞洲人愛補習的現實,對外國人來說可能有意思。對亞洲人來說,這等如指出阿媽係女人般的現實,我不感興趣。

盲搶鹽事件研唔研究,是否要過半數才研究,不過半數不研究,等等不是我想說的重點。我的重點係,瘋狂補習,和盲搶鹽,奴隸制,欺壓婦女等等一樣係(歷史上)好多人做,但不代表是「正確」的事。



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回復 shadeslayer 的帖子

哦!原來這篇文章是寫給鬼佬看的,可能內裏的數據和現實只有對鬼佬有啟示作用,作為警惕!我都想多看亞洲人寫的數據因果文章,可惜鳯毛麟角,鮮矣哉!

阿媽女人的現實,你不感到興趣,其他人都不感興趣?在 EK 歷年都有不少家長反覆討論,興緻不減。補習無效,是否又是亞媽女人現實?亞洲幾個先進發達國家,崇尚補習,可能大部分家長學生,都未分辨出阿媽是真的女人,咁狀況下,又要睇下鬼佬寫的阿媽女人文章,醍醐灌頂一下。

點解講講下又講到「正確」的事,何時定斷過正確?
何謂正確,做羅馬人做的事,未開放前的廣州,如以正確斯文的態度,可能你永遠不能登上巴士;讀書升學,不正確方法能持久深化嗎?想法是否正確,或你參考身邊一眾親友,多否補習,原因、方法和成效如何,是否瘋狂,可否以現實舉証一下?

幾個補習最瘋狂國家,歷年在文、數、科世界名次屢列前矛,又有何啟示?

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回復 囝囝爸 的帖子

The popularity of tutorial is not that surprising.  I think it is just another reflection of smaller families with less children, higher concentration of parental attention on kids, focus on academics as pathway to get ahead and a general desire for their children to "succeed".  What it got me thinking about is our formal education system.  Between full day schooling and homework, our children have dedicated most of their waking hours to academics already.  But apparently, it is not enough as the super-majority of parents still believe tutoring is required.  Tutoring means even more time are spent on academics.  Does this mean our formal school system is not doing its job of teaching academics?  If not, what purpose does our schooling system serve?
今日佳句: 我以往也以為國際板的家長也有質素,但現在才知deal with 一些麻煩家長也不易!  

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回復 HKTHK 的帖子

學海無涯,何處為岸?現今知識高速膨脹,社會急劇變遷,教育制度,遠遠落於形勢,只能提供基本。要出類拔萃、或要追及基本,有能力者,怎不各施其法。此處不少家長,子女學習良好,或因從小父母已做補習天王之事,有時間能力者不需外判而已。

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Hmm, in a way, aren't we saying the same thing?  The educational system is inadequate, whether from the perspective of allow students to learn the basics or to excel, so people use tutorial as a supplement.  I do wonder if the the schools can be changed/reformed that it would satisfy at least the demand of parents/society on academics so that parents can focus on other things like morals, sports, leisure activities, ....
今日佳句: 我以往也以為國際板的家長也有質素,但現在才知deal with 一些麻煩家長也不易!  

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反撲归真, 我比较愿意相信任何学习和课堂外的补习, 不能让孩子超常忙碌, (特别是小学生), 每天滕不出游魂时间, 随意干点自在喜爱的活动, 就算今天看似 出類拔萃的, 看似大大优于形勢的, 也不是美事

物极必反, 阴阳五行, 最终是平行之道, 學海無涯,何處為岸?因为是無涯,更要时刻警惕凡事'留有余地', 茶杯,茶壶满载, 还能接受好学问, 新物事吗?

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HKTHK 發表於 13-4-18 14:51
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Hmm, in a way, aren't we saying the same thing?  The educational system is inade ...
HKTHK,
I think whether the local school system meets the needs of parents is not the right question in this context. The tuition is all about getting ahead from others at as young an age as possible. If everybody is doing better at school, parents will do more tuition to get ahead again.
The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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引用:回復+shadeslayer+的帖子 哦!原來這篇文

原帖由 囝囝爸 於 13-04-18 發表
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哦!原來這篇文章是寫給鬼佬看的,可能內裏的數據和現實只有對鬼佬有啟示作用, ...
囝囝爸,

呀媽係女人的事,是指「亞洲家長非常喜愛補習」的現實, EK 和親友已有大把實例,如幼稚園初小全料補。由鬼佬文章話我知亞洲家長非常喜愛補習,是無意思的。

比較有意思的討論,是何種補習合理,何種是瘋狂,是有害。有意思的是嘗試判斷補習是好是壞。如果你不能判斷奴隸制,男尊女卑等等是不是「正確」的事,我們無野好講了。

致於你說補習國家成績好:

1。補習多,學生用在學業的時間倍於別人,「考試」成績好,出奇嗎?但這不証明補習這種方式是好,這不証明香港教育制度是全世界最好,只証明勤勞是有收穫的。

2。看芬蘭不是補習國家,小孩七歲才上學,成績也列前矛,這才是教育制度的優勝。



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引用:回復+HKTHK+的帖子 學海無涯,何處為岸?

原帖由 囝囝爸 於 13-04-18 發表
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學海無涯,何處為岸?現今知識高速膨脹,社會急劇變遷,教育制度,遠遠落於形勢,只能 ...
因從小父母已做補習天王之事,有時間能力者不需外判而已。

Xxxxxx

你無理由唔知,香港補習「天王」做的是甚麼事。他們貼題,精讀,考試選提策略,甚至最近的略水擾敵收音機。父母從孩子小的培養,你說成一樣的事不用外判?同我講笑?



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本帖最後由 囝囝爸 於 13-4-18 19:07 編輯

//Hmm, in a way, aren't we saying the same thing?  The educational system is inadequate, whether from the perspective of allow students to learn the basics or to excel, so people use tutorial as a supplement.  I do wonder if the the schools can be changed/reformed that it would satisfy at least the demand of parents/society on academics so that parents can focus on other things like morals, sports, leisure activities, ....//

HKTHK:

全世界都不斷進行教育改革,成效如何,有沒有如你所想,達致全民完善教育。未成事之前,教育缺漏,如何補救?

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//反撲归真, 我比较愿意相信任何学习和课堂外的补习, 不能让孩子超常忙碌, (特别是小学生), 每天滕不出游魂时间, 随意干点自在喜爱的活动, 就算今天看似 出類拔萃的, 看似大大优于形勢的, 也不是美事

物极必反, 阴阳五行, 最终是平行之道, 學海無涯,何處為岸?因为是無涯,更要时刻警惕凡事'留有余地', 茶杯,茶壶满载, 还能接受好学问, 新物事吗?//


Annie40:

多年引證我網上所言,小兒是做到如你所說。討論課外學習中,早著先鞭、過猶不及、唯恐失之等語句,我也說過不下一兩次。

物極五行中,真見不到平行之道?涯岸之間,有沒有飄浮無助之體?茶杯茶壼,皆是滿盈,無殘水或半載,需要添加?

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shadeslayer:

//I think whether the local school system meets the needs of parents is not the right question in this context. The tuition is all about getting ahead from others at as young an age as possible. If everybody is doing better at school, parents will do more tuition to get ahead again//

你看得教育制度很完美,補習作用很簡單。"If" 之說可圈可點,"if not" 又如何?


//呀媽係女人的事,是指「亞洲家長非常喜愛補習」的現實, EK 和親友已有大把實例,如幼稚園初小全料補。由鬼佬文章話我知亞洲家長非常喜愛補習,是無意思的。//

你撮要功夫一流,個鬼佬呃稿費,長篇大論原來只反映「亞洲家長非常喜愛補習」的現實。


//比較有意思的討論,是何種補習合理,何種是瘋狂,是有害。有意思的是嘗試判斷補習是好是壞。如果你不能判斷奴隸制,男尊女卑等等是不是「正確」的事,我們無野好講了。//

你所說的歷史早有定論,你判斷的可以作公眾定論?


//1。補習多,學生用在學業的時間倍於別人,「考試」成績好,出奇嗎?但這不証明補習這種方式是好,這不証明香港教育制度是全世界最好,只証明勤勞是有收穫的。//

你覺得補習的,學習一定倍於別人,你未聽過聰明仔爸爸等的課外學習?補習成績好不出奇,出於你口就十分出奇!


//2。看芬蘭不是補習國家,小孩七歲才上學,成績也列前矛,這才是教育制度的優勝。//

點解亞洲國家唔學芬蘭,勞民傷財,死蠢?


//你無理由唔知,香港補習「天王」做的是甚麼事。他們貼題,精讀,考試選提策略,甚至最近的略水擾敵收音機。父母從孩子小的培養,你說成一樣的事不用外判?同我講笑?//

我對天王少留意,原來就係咁簡單,真替付費的父母學生不值,包括我自己。唔係講笑,你對其他家長不時指指點點,真有「王」者風範,當不用外判。

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點解亞洲國家唔學芬蘭,勞民傷財,死蠢?

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你撮要功夫才是一流,整個芬蘭教育,就一句勞民傷財搞定,研究教育的人真係死蠢喎。其他的,你多沒看渚楚別人講乜,不回了。要講的講完,看官自有定論。

The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.
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