Interesting Observation of ESF and RC

新人王

The independent results will be the IB exam and the GCSE results. According to the ESF news, the students acheived the maximum of 45 points in IB are from KGV and South Island School. There are 94% of ESF students awarded the IB diploma and the average mark is 33.5 in 2010.

The thing is RC and DC are not included in these result yet cos they havn't build up their college yet. This morning I saw an ad on am730 that RC is recruiting students for year11. So we need at least 2 or 3 years to see their performance in IB and GCSE.

At the moment there is no public test from which we can see the performance of the primary schools. We have to rely on comments from existing parents.

新人王

Correction:
According to the ESF news, in 2010, the students achieved the maximum of 45 points in IB are from KGV and South Island School.

WYmom

For RC, they already have 2 batches of IB graduates.  You can check info. from their website.

http://www.renaissance.edu.hk/content/further-education

The 2 PIS RC and DC are established to meet the overwhelming demand from local communities while govt freeze the subsidies to ESF a few years ago.  They have no zone and categories restriction for all applicants.  These 2 schools enjoy the best campus and facilities among ESF schools and their fees are only a little bit higher than ESF schools (for secondary schools, fees are almost the same as ESF schools).

Usually people apply both ESF and RC/DC together to maximize the chance of acceptance.

Radiomama

RC released the IB Examination Result in 2010 too (second IB Diploma cohort)!
Highest point: 41
Achieving the IB diploma: 97.6%
Average points score: 32.6

Yau_Cheung

請問2010年 ESF 共有幾多位 IB 考生？Thanks.

原帖由 新人王 於 10-9-22 09:41 發表
The independent results will be the IB exam and the GCSE results. According to the ESF news, the students acheived the maximum of 45 points in IB are from KGV and South Island School. There are 94% of ...

Yau_Cheung

請問2010年 RC 共有幾多位 IB 考生？Thanks.

原帖由 Radiomama 於 10-9-22 10:15 發表
RC released the IB Examination Result in 2010 too (second IB Diploma cohort)!
Highest point: 41
Achieving the IB diploma: 97.6%
Average points score: 32.6

oooray

原帖由 Yau_Cheung 於 10-9-22 10:28 發表
請問2010年 RC 共有幾多位 IB 考生？Thanks.

pls. take a look at this:

http://www.renaissance.edu.hk/content/black-kite-extra

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Radiomama

RC: 41 students entered for the IB diploma and 40 achive it.

ESF: 726 students and 683 achive it.

原帖由 Yau_Cheung 於 10-9-22 10:28 發表
請問2010年 RC 共有幾多位 IB 考生？Thanks.

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Yau_Cheung

Thank you.

原帖由 Radiomama 於 10-9-22 10:48 發表
RC: 41 students entered for the IB diploma and 40 achive it.

ESF: 726 students and 683 achive it.

Yau_Cheung

請問有冇家長有 GSIS, CIS & HKIS 既 IBD result (year 2010)?  Thank you.

Darth

So far, from the sources shared here, the averages of IBD scores of ESF, RC and CDNIS are in the range of 32 - 34. Note that they all have students with scores over 40. So we can almost be sure that there are quite some people that have results under 30. Does anyone think that this is a bit worrying too?

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iamfine

There are good and not so good students in every school.

Darth

原帖由 iamfine 於 10-9-22 13:59 發表
There are good and not so good students in every school.

Most of the time, examination results are bell distribution. And normally, the average of the bell graph is also the norm. Try visualising a bell graph, with score 32 - 34 in the middle. What does it tell you?

We are talking about a lot of people with scores under 30, to bring the "average" down to 32-34, if there are people with scores over 40.

[ 本帖最後由 Darth 於 10-9-22 14:46 編輯 ]

WYmom

原帖由 Darth 於 10-9-22 14:44 發表



Most of the time, examination results are bell distribution. And normally, the average of the bell graph is also the norm. Try visualising a bell graph, with score 32 - 34 in the middle. What does  ...

You can know the distribution of IB results from their website, for all the 6 ESF schools (5 ESF schools and RC as well) there are 79.2% of students getting 30+, so around 20% are below 30.

It is not surprising as you know that ESF, unlike GSIS, HKIS or CIS, that it is not taking students based on academic results but only based on English proficiency.  I think parents know the standards of their kids and should help them choose the right path after GCSE based on predictions.  They can take other diplomas apart from IBD if they don't expect very good results.

For RC and DC students, I don't know if there are any indication of standards for students by Y11 to predict their results in IBD.

Darth

原帖由 WYmom 於 10-9-22 15:08 發表
I think parents know the standards of their kids and should help them choose the right path after GCSE based on predictions.  They can take other diplomas apart from IBD if they don't expect very good results.

In the past, I never paid too much attention to those statistics.

Anyway, your comments were fair enough.

So the parents, students, and schools know well the standard of students. And the students have chosen the right courses and path accordingly.
"Thankful" provided the information that even at LPC, there are 9% students that have scores below 30.
I am not here to bash any school or student. I think as parents, we are all trying to help our children to achieve. So, is something missing here if the percentage of students with score below 30 is so significant?
I know quite a few ESF IBD students personally. They seem to be quite "average" to me, not particularly hard working or bright. But they have scores much higher than 30.
I might sound very mean, but what have those "<30" students been doing? Getting a score of 40+ is of course hard. You need to be diligent and smart. But am I asking too much for a score of 30+?
If my child gets a score of 30, I would be very upset. But it seems that it is not uncommon then and thus can possibly be a score that my children get. Really worrying.

[ 本帖最後由 Darth 於 10-9-22 16:05 編輯 ]

WYmom

原帖由 Darth 於 10-9-22 16:03 發表



In the past, I never paid too much attention to those statistics.

Anyway, your comments were fair enough.

So the parents, students, and schools know well the standard of students. And the student ...

Yes, that's something parents should ask the school.  Maybe some students are good at GCSE, but not IBD as IBD requires students to take both Art and Science subjects.  In the past, ESF allow students to take GCSE AL, but now no such choice.  All ESF schools only start IBD in 2009-2010.  So they are trying to improve the successful rate further.

Personally, I think if parents and students have more confidence in taking GCSE AL, we may need to send the kids to UK boarding schools after Y11.  Just my thoughts.

[ 本帖最後由 WYmom 於 10-9-22 16:45 編輯 ]

Radiomama

LPC (an elite IB school in HK)
HK students average: 40.81
Number of HK students: 59
Highest Score: 25 out of 128 students get in between 41-45 points

CIS
Highest Score: 28% of students get in between 40-45 points

Yew Chung
Average: 34
Highest Score: 13% of students get in between 40-45 points

Some parents would also pay attention to the ratio of billingual diploma.  I got all this information from their school websites.

原帖由 Yau_Cheung 於 10-9-22 13:13 發表
請問有冇家長有 GSIS, CIS & HKIS 既 IBD result (year 2010)?  Thank you.

Darth

原帖由 Radiomama 於 10-9-22 17:00 發表
Yew Chung
Average: 34
Highest Score: 13% of students get in between 40-45 points

Average of 34 is higher than ESF.
I would not judge a school by merely looking at the statistics, but there must be something in their school that we can learn...

WYmom

原帖由 Darth 於 10-9-22 17:51 發表


Average of 34 is higher than ESF.
I would not judge a school by merely looking at the statistics, but there must be something in their school that we can learn...

I won't just look at results of IBD, as usually there are many new students moving in and out to IS from local schools at Y12.  In the past, usually the more capable ones from local schools will choose to enter IS for taking IBD program as this is not available in local schools.  The very top ones will be accepted by LPC , GSIS, HKIS or CIS.  The second tier ones will choose Yew Chung or other IS.

In ESF, majority of the IBD students come from their own schools.  

Now DBS and SPCC start to offer IBD for some of their more capable students as well while the rest will take NSS.

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