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As I understand, phonics can be (and perhaps should be) learned at a younger stage (e.g. pre-school) while real phonetics can be awaited until the kids are 8 years old (some can learn it earlier though).

In fact, phonics and phonetics are different things.

While your suggestion of having a speaking dictionary may be an alternative, it would like speak for myself that learning phonetics is a different story.  I self learned the phonetic symbols in F.1 and that helped a lot in laying a fair foundation in English.  In the process, I needed to look up from a real dictionary and apart from the phonetic symbols, I would read the usage of the unfamiliar English words.  Even a good speaking dictionary can't be compared in this respect, not to mention that a hardcopy dictionary can be flipped through like a book while the speaking instrument can't.

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 08-11-12 16:53 發表
Very very stupid to send the kid to learn phonetic at primary stage.

The kid should learn phonic instead of phonetic. Save the money to buy more books for the kid and save the kid's time in  ...

[ 本帖最後由 cornelius 於 08-11-26 13:14 編輯 ]

cornelius

Reximom,

Well said.  But since I self learned the phonetic symbols when I was a teenager, I would teach my kid and won't waste a penny hopefully.  But even if I need to send him to attend a phonetics class, I would say it is still worth it - a life-long knowledge not to be missed.

Not sure if that's my personal matter only, but it seems to me that using a "speaking dictionary" at work is not quite professional.  Moreover, speaking from my own learning experience, I'm pretty sure that when one has accumulated the use of phonetic symbols, he or she is more capable of pronouncing words correctly without actually referring to a real dictionary.

cornelius

原帖由 Reximom 於 08-11-28 16:21 發表


咁買部electronic dictionary同一本real dictionary咪得lor. 要聽就用electronic dictionary, 要查usage就用real dictionary, 都係唔使咁煩又要錢學Phonetics 噃!


  

cornelius

Dear Reximom,

Perhaps I am really outdated in this respect, since I am not aware of the capability of speaking dictionaries that could also read out words of foreign origin or names of places or historic figures.

Could you kindly let me know the brand (and even model no.)?  Thank you.

cornelius

原帖由 Reximom 於 08-12-1 10:13 發表


時代要進步架嗎, 以前既好野都有可能會淘汰啦. 以前我好辛苦學倉頡, 依家淨用手寫板.

"speaking dictionary" 唔夠 professional你係講查意思同usage呀嘩?

“I'm pretty sure that when one has accumulated th ...

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原帖由 Reximom 於 08-12-1 10:13 發表


時代要進步架嗎, 以前既好野都有可能會淘汰啦. 以前我好辛苦學倉頡, 依家淨用手寫板.

"speaking dictionary" 唔夠 professional你係講查意思同usage呀嘩?

“I'm pretty sure that when one has accumulated th ...

如果去見工時,話識打中文.....不過係用手寫板,你估老闆會唔會叫你返歸呢!!

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你有唔可以o甘講wor, phonics你估只係記果26個字母就得了? A都有short a (ei,同 a:既音啦; 其實我上過 ipa個阿sir講得都arm,其實比幼兒 k2-k3學phonetic symbols都無問題, 因為佢地學野好快, 如果早d比佢記熟d symbols點讀, 佢地可以好快去學到, 到小學時, 太多功課太多野記, 要學效果無o甘好
我就認為一開始係教phonics, 再大少少教phonetics就perfect
講到尾, 查字典係學野最好既
我以前讀eng.lit,未買字典機前查字典既字我好多都記得, 買左字典機之後, 係查得好快, 但同一個字我要返查幾次, 因印象無o甘深!

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 08-11-12 16:53 發表
Very very stupid to send the kid to learn phonetic at primary stage.

The kid should learn phonic instead of phonetic. Save the money to buy more books for the kid and save the kid's time in  ...