24%小三生英文未達標基本能力評估 教局指成績意料之內

EdT

還有救的。不過要靠直資或私校、一條龍和家長自己三方面,缺一不可。免費的,那條路很長,而且有座大山阻住。

cptkt

香港教育真係無得救喇, 一時要強行校本條例, 強調家校合作, 現時小三基本能力評估, 黑箱作業, 連家長都無知情權, 唉! 嗚呼哀哉.

eviepa

Hi Judy,

“ "到小學畢業時可以輕鬆地閱讀英文中學的課本"，無可能，現實是很大部分Band1學生都覺困難。”

這方面你和我的觀察是一致的：“大概不會超過 10% 的小學生到畢業時可以輕鬆地閱讀英文中學的課本。”

不同的是，我認為只要有合理的訓練，"到小學畢業時可以輕鬆地閱讀英文中學的課本"是個不難達到的目標。

Harry Porter 是一本相當艱深的小說，可以考起好多人。但初中的課本經過八十年代中期的改革後，已經變得較為淺白，估計從只要小一起每天平均花十五分鐘的時間閱讀適當的英文書，到畢業時，這目標可以輕易達到。

如果要看懂課本也是一件苦事的話，讀英中的路是多麼的崎嶇？

eviepa

Matt'smum 寫道:
shame to see those exam papers,

the good example is like" it is a dod, it has two big eyes, it has a long tail, it ..." any normal person can memorise these sort of sentences in next year's exam. " practice makes perfect".

they use these to judge our kid? no wonder some people prefer to run away from local schools.

why don't they rely on reading a passage and answer questions?

Hi Matt'smum,

No eye see!

I always say that in HK, All other subjects do not have big problems, but English edcuation in Primary school is a complete failure.

不能兼濟天下，唯有獨善其身。Use our own methods to nurture our kids.  I'm sure that your sons can excel English by using your methods.

fannychoi

你地覺唔覺得咁樣要求小學教師公唔公平呢??如果佢地真係英文好好的話佢地都唔使教書啦~~(指97前)

judy 寫道:
不久之前，有人問那家小學小二生大部分可看Harry Potter。不如問，全港之小學英文教師，有没有一半看Harry Potter而不覺困難？

"到小學畢業時可以輕鬆地閱讀英文中學的課本"，無可能，現實是很大部分Band1學生都覺困難。

fannychoi

sorry, 香港小三的程度還不能reading passage~~!

Matt'smum 寫道:
shame to see those exam papers,

the good example is like" it is a dod, it has two big eyes, it has a long tail, it ..." any normal person can memorise these sort of sentences in next year's exam. " practice makes perfect".

they use these to judge our kid? no wonder some people prefer to run away from local schools.

why don't they rely on reading a passage and answer questions?

eviepa

fannychoi 寫道:
sorry, 香港小三的程度還不能reading passage

That's our tragedy!

mattsmum

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fannychoi 寫道:
sorry, 香港小三的程度還不能reading passage"

" a woman gave them all a brown paper bag. wilma looked inside hers .
"it's a dry old sandwich and an apple."
she said,"but no sweets or chocolate bars."
"of course not," said the woman." what did you expect?"

so even passage like this?

teacher will deduct marks for not using capital letters but cannot teach them to understand this even after studying for three years in primary school?

Ms.ChanChan

fannychoi 寫道:
你地覺唔覺得咁樣要求小學教師公唔公平呢??如果佢地真係英文好好的話佢地都唔使教書啦~~(指97前)[quote]
judy 寫道:
不久之前，有人問那家小學小二生大部分可看Harry Potter。不如問，全港之小學英文教師，有没有一半看Harry Potter而不覺困難？

"到小學畢業時可以輕鬆地閱讀英文中學的課本"，無可能，現實是很大部分Band1學生都覺困難。

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希望fannychoi是一位特別寬大的家長而非一位老師。 若果唔係，真正為我們的下一代感到悲哀。

fannychoi 寫道:
sorry, 香港小三的程度還不能reading passage~~!

如果這是收費的私立/直資和一般官津小的分別的話，我真的慶幸我沒有白白交了兩年多的學費。

eviepa

fannychoi 寫道:
sorry, 香港小三的程度還不能reading passage~~![quote]
Matt'smum 寫道:
shame to see those exam papers,

the good example is like" it is a dod, it has two big eyes, it has a long tail, it ..." any normal person can memorise these sort of sentences in next year's exam. " practice makes perfect".

they use these to judge our kid? no wonder some people prefer to run away from local schools.

why don't they rely on reading a passage and answer questions?

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我一向認為香港小學的英語教育是捨本逐末的，將有限的時間放在並不 Urgent 的地方。

老師們只將差不多所有時間浪費在 Grammar和 Spelling 兩方面，但很不幸地，這兩部分都不是小學最 Urgent的，而最重要的應是閱讀，但卻被視為可有可無，結果一班又一班不懂閱讀的高分低能(low English reading ability)的小學畢業生，一年又一年地被送到中學，每天面對著看不懂的課本發愁，不知如何是好。

只學Grammar不閱讀有何問題？
  
1.        Grammar只是些rules而矣，絕不能提高任何表達能力或閱讀能力。  

2.        若未閱讀過一定數量的英文書而勉強學Grammar的話，死記Grammar rules是非常困難的，所接收的很快會忘記，事幾倍而功半。倒不如先學閱讀，再花小許時間學，那便更有效率。

只學Spelling不閱讀有何問題？

1.        讀過萬卷書後，小孩會往往會認得生字的形狀和知道該字的讀音，容易記得Spelling，若懂拼音，更相得益彰了。就算要用的時候不知串法，往往也可以借助字典得知串法。相反地，相信很多人都試過死記生字，通常會在默書後短時間內將絕大部分遺忘，因為這些都是沒有意義的字。

2.        就算能夠花大量時間、不斷的重覆而將生字記牢，不經大量閱讀，應用時大有問題。Meeting是會議，Conference也是會議，但應用起來大有分別。為何是solve the problem而不是overcome the problem？為何是overcome the difficulties而不是solve the difficulties？沒有大量閱讀作後盾，怎會明白其中的分別？

Why not save some time from learning grammar & spelling to put to a much more effective way?  Believe me, I tried reading approach to my daughter, a merely 15 minutes per day can make the differences.

mattsmum

eviepa,

good explaination.totally agree with you.massive reading is more important than any dictation / exam/ exercise in junior primary school.

did you go to see the web site for such P3 test? do you know if your child had to take this assessment?

does any one know if victoria need to take this assessment.?

彤媽媽

教育署係傻架,你地有無睇過佢地個綱頁,有小三生的考試情況,好難架,問果d野都唔係書教果d,那個考官會同個小三生講:你個頭夾好靚喎!佢地咁細,聽得明先算,除非個小朋友係由細菲律賓工人帶大或自細父母同佢講開芵文啦!!!!!!

其實想小朋友芵文好,閱讀好重要,由小睇芵文書,講芵文故事,由淺入深,我女女都好鐘意睇書,依加可以睇幾頁先有圖的書,佢對芵文完全無抗拒,重好鐘意

eviepa

mattsmum,

I've heard from the news the other day that this year's assessment will be for P6 instead of P3.  Because I was working at that time, I did not pay much attention on that and it is not 100% correct.  

Anyone who know exactly this year's assessment please let us know the details.

eviepa

彤媽媽 寫道:
其實想小朋友芵文好,閱讀好重要,由小睇芵文書,講芵文故事,由淺入深,我女女都好鐘意睇書,依加可以睇幾頁先有圖的書,佢對芵文完全無抗拒,重好鐘意

好叻喎，你個女讀幾年班呀？

好開心又知道多一個家長用 Reading Approach。

WYmom

eviepa,

P.3 assessment will still continue for P.3, and will gradually apply to P.6 and F.3 students.  So P.3 and P.6 students both have to take the assessment exam.  

eviepa

Hi mattsmum,

Actually the term "reading approach" is my invention.  That is to put the emphasize on reading instead of grammar, dictation, marks and the like.

I find that there not enough books in the library concerning this topic.  That's why when I read books with my daughter, I met with lots of small questions that I want to seek opinion.  But unfortunately, I am alone amoung my friends to acopt this approach.  Most of my friends just treat me as crazy.

I really want to have deep discussion with friends or getting books or theories about using reading as chief medium of nurturning children academically.  

Who can help?

eviepa

Matt'smum,

Where can I find the tacher's handbook for ORT?

I don't know any friend whose kids are in international school that can discuss with me for this matter.  That is the problem.

Any way, thanks for your information.