邊個話香港教育制度唔好 ?

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shadeslayer 發表於 19-4-29 09:24
可以咁講，香港D尖子，係 despite the education system they became 尖子，not because of the education ...

真係咁肯定？

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4eyesDad 發表於 19-4-28 23:07
{要列舉香港教育係壞？但奇怪不少外國被稱為世界一流嘅學府，願意接納香港壞制度所成就嘅好學生。}

不用 ...

真係咁肯定？

shadeslayer

ABC-DAD 發表於 19-4-29 09:51
真係咁肯定？

除左生老病死邏輯數學和交稅外，好少野係肯定。

It is a matter of opinion.  

nkd

nkd 發表於 19-4-29 09:47
If the primary education at local schools is bad, the secondary education is worse. For the pupils  ...

Even at college, the local students are reluctant to speak up unless they are picked to answer. No one dares to challenge anybody. It's not much different for them to sit at home watching lecture videos. Is it a college? Are they intellectuals? Well, they are more fond of other activities like student societies, o-camps, romances, etc.

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shadeslayer 發表於 19-4-29 09:59
除左生老病死邏輯數學和交稅外，好少野係肯定。

It is a matter of opinion.

又有道理。

planetearth

nkd 發表於 19-4-29 09:47
If the primary education at local schools is bad, the secondary education is worse. For the pupils  ...

Your ideal education system on your second paragraph is IB curriculum. International schools with different systems should be more or less similar, i guess.

nkd

planetearth 發表於 19-4-29 10:59
Your ideal education system on your second paragraph is IB curriculum. International schools with d ...

It isn’t ideal and it had been there well before IB became popular.

Another thing is flexibility of curriculum. There is no reason to can the students disregarding their different levels in the subjects despite the same years of schooling. IB divides each subject into standard level and higher level for a good reason.

shadeslayer

nkd 發表於 19-4-29 11:16
It isn’t ideal and it had been there well before IB became popular.

Another thing is flexibilit ...

Basically it is the western education philosophy.

“Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire.”

planetearth

nkd 發表於 19-4-29 11:16
It isn’t ideal and it had been there well before IB became popular.

Another thing is flexibilit ...

Right, a relatively better system for today's fast changing demand.
Western culture is embeded that encourages learning thru inquiry and exploration, while knowledge would be well acquired during the learning proceses. "Imagination is more important than knowladege". Knowlege is limited, Imagination could be unlimited.
Western civilization had made the world it is today.
Nothing or no system is perfect, but some could be better.
Stuffing and feeding is not an efficient way of learning. Memorizing is the lowest order of thinking process. Our culture prefer this fast food learning style, or it is just bad habbits.
A long way to go tho. thanks to the sharings from EK friends. Opinions may not be always agreed by everyone, but open discusion is a good way to explore something new or useful.

nkd

shadeslayer 發表於 19-4-29 11:43
Basically it is the western education philosophy.

“Education is not the filling of a pail, but t ...

Those who are taught to wait for filling up will more likely become people used to wait for instructions, hints, written problems. They are too passive to be led than to lead.

nkd

planetearth 發表於 19-4-29 12:01
Right, a relatively better system for today's fast changing demand.
Western culture is embeded that ...

Memorizing isn't unnecessary even though there are cheap USB sticks. The building blocks of an analytical mind comprise the board knowledge ready to recall and support the ideas. How do babies learn to speak with growing vocabulary? They memorize what they hear and repeat the speaking when they use it in the right situation. The memorizing ability has its prime time to develop that no child should afford to miss.

子曰學而不思則罔，思而不學則殆。The outcome of learning is the memorized lessons.

planetearth

nkd 發表於 19-4-29 12:25
Memorizing isn't unnecessary even though there are cheap USB sticks. The building blocks of an anal ...

Of course memorization is a brain function, it is important. but the way we use our memory function is the key. We remember things thru learning process, but memorizing / stuffing facts/knowledge without deep thinking is not efficient.
That is the unpleasant part of our local system. I am just saying that their are ways to improve. Our bright kids are so dilligent, we should find a better way for them so that they learn and enjoy learning. We are not disapproving our local system at all, just seeing that there should be better ways for them.

nkd

planetearth 發表於 19-4-29 12:46
Of course memorization is a brain function, it is important. but the way we use our memory function ...

Yeah. Mr Curryflavor brought this topic for us to rethink what each party can do about the situation:
- the bureau
- the schools
- the teachers
- the parents
- the students

We are not here to point fingers. We hope something to happen by doing our own part, or at least prepare for the other parties pretending to do something.

shadeslayer

nkd 發表於 19-4-29 12:59
Yeah. Mr Curryflavor brought this topic for us to rethink what each party can do about the situation ...

No improvements will come if we can’t even have an honest discussion about the system.  

planetearth

nkd 發表於 19-4-29 12:59
Yeah. Mr Curryflavor brought this topic for us to rethink what each party can do about the situation ...

Everyone is a stakeholder of our society.

Some of the students today may become futureleaders / or civil servants of Hong Kong in future. Some of them become schoolmanagement and teachers, and parents who raise their children…The way they areeducated today is important.

Quote “If we teach today’s students as we taughtyesterday, we rob them of tomorrow.”

4eyesDad

shadeslayer 發表於 19-4-29 09:35
One difference between you and me is that I won’t blame the Education officials for not sending th ...

I must clarify here. I don't blame top civil servants for sending their kids outside the local system per se. (If I were them facing similar conceivable dilemma, I would probably have done the same thing by sending my kids elsewhere.) However, in common with many parents, I hope top (education) civil servants can do more and "abandoning the ship" themselves is not an answer. The present state of affair in our local education system is bad. You claim the education leaders have already done a lot but you were unwilling to share details here.

We must not ignore the unique feature of education vis-a-vis health or transport. Hence we must be careful in comparing education with health and transport (" trap of false analogy"). Education is the driving force of society, with conflicting aims of socialization and selection as well as income re-distribution across generations and transmission of sustainable knowledge . The local system emphasizes on selection at the vast expenses on everything else.

Knowing the inadequacies of our education system is a good start. We must encourage the our education leaders to do something about it.  It will be one of the most powerful incentives if we could align their private interest with the public interest.

4eyesDad

ABC-DAD 發表於 19-4-29 09:52
真係咁肯定？

我爸爸有鬍鬚，但是有鬍鬚的，未必是我爸爸，這我是肯定的。

世界一流大學收叻的香港(或其他地方)學生，但是＂叻＂的香港(或其他地方)學生，未必是由於他們接受的教育制度(學校)是＂好＂，這我也是肯定的。

你肯定嗎？

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4eyesDad 發表於 19-4-29 17:27
我爸爸有鬍鬚，但是有鬍鬚的，未必是我爸爸，這我是肯定的。

世界一流大學收叻的香港(或其他地方)學生， ...

我肯定自己係爸爸，但我久不久會剃鬚。
我幾肯定優秀嘅學生因為接受到優秀嘅教育，而接受優秀教育就不一定會成為優秀嘅人。
人優秀唔一定只係因為讀過一流大學。
參考下我呢個講法吖。
如果依網友睇法，叻仔去邊都叻仔，就一定唔會咁多人想入好學校。
係一個壞嘅制度入面，可以有好嘅學校，有好嘅老師，有好嘅學生，我估都唔太壞，係咪？
我好肯定咁講，最好嘅制度，最好嘅學校，最好嘅老師，最好嘅學生入學，到畢業，都唔一定全部都成為最好嘅畢業生。

執著咩制度好啲？何必呢？
能夠有能力進入心儀學系，靠自己能畢業，那管是家庭有錢有選擇，還是本地制度下副學士學位上大學，最後，都係要靠自己實力謀生打拼，心安理得。

4eyesDad

ABC-DAD 發表於 19-4-29 18:32
我肯定自己係爸爸，但我久不久會剃鬚。
我幾肯定優秀嘅學生因為接受到優秀嘅教育，而接受優秀教育就不一定 ...

你我各有各思維。
我在這個論壇執著咩教育制度好啲，不是我私人利益，而是社會利益。
沒有討論，如何進步？

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4eyesDad 發表於 19-4-29 19:07
你我各有各思維。
我在這個論壇執著咩教育制度好啲，不是我私人利益，而是社會利益。
沒有討論，如何進步 ...

我參與你討論啫，我有話你啲咩？
我話唔好咁執著邊個制度好啲，無禁止你討論吖，係咪？


你同我講嘅嘢就係為左社會利益，咁我代社會多謝你發聲。