在九龍區除了蔡繼有及international school,還有甚麼學校是提供IB

chunyatmama

如題, please.

ANChan59

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Christi
I replied your question in the high school forum.

ANChan59

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Just for devil advocate.........

Reasonable good in Chinese, not necessary go for bilingual diploma.
My rationale is - if your son will have PG 38 and Chinese Syllabus A (L&LS) and score only 5, he can downgrade Chinese to Syllabus B and sure have 7 and the revised PG will become 40, and bare min for MBBS and Global Business..... His Chinese standard is still pretty good, even he took Syllabus B.

Just achieving bilingual diploma, but PG pretty low, what's for?

The same token, my son up to now still taking 4 HL, he will drop one to SL in July after reviewing the 2nd term exam results. That's what he means flexibility to maximise the score, of course, it's tough for him to take 4 HL.

cherubic

Thanks ANChan59,

[(1) Those students who have attended PYP and MYP; & (We need to follow the results of DSS, private, ESF and IS with accredited PYP and MYP programs.)
(2) Those students who have not attended PYP and MYP. (Like most DSS.)]

For (1), according to the data published by most IS, the results are quite good.  However these results could only be used as a reference only because my target, as with most local parents here, is bilingual diploma.  In respect of my expectation on Chinese, I hope my kid can achieve that which is comparable to local school.  In my opinion, no IS in Hong Kong could meet this requirement at the moment.

For (2), I think many parents are waiting.  As a matter of interest, in your son's class, how many students come from other schools?

cherubic

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Thanks for your further info.
Using IGCSE MYP PYP to predict IBDP and the throughput of students may not be a good apple to apple comparison, just an indirect measure of student performance.

Most or all public exam can't present students creativity,leadership etc.....

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Here are some year 2010 IGCSE examination statistics of other IGCSE Int'l School which found from their websites:

Year 2010	A*-A	A*-C
Island School	58.10%	92.50%
South Island	52.60%	91.00%
Kiangsu-Chekiang	31.00%	82.00%
West Island	55.00%	95.00%
YCIS	44.00%	84.00%
CKY (year 2011)	47.10%	92.40%

The above is quoted from other link, not yet checked
http://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2319781&extra=page%3D2&page=1

chunyatmama

ANChan59 發表於 12-2-23 12:03
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As a new school CKY with limited exam experience, the result is good and wi ...

Yes.  Fair comment.

HaYi

interesting topic !

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As a new school CKY with limited exam experience, the result is good and with sufficient room for improvement. The philosophy of CKY not the same as SPCS.

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Cherubic

My quick comment as highlighted in BLUE:


That means I do not have a first hand comparison of the difference in terms of performance in DP between

(1) Those students who have attended PYP and MYP; & (We need to follow the results of DSS, private, ESF and IS with accredited PYP and MYP programs.)
(2) Those students who have not attended PYP and MYP. (Like most DSS.)



I also suggest to look into more details of IBDP results & destinations, not just say 35.2 >>> international average:


1. Predicted grades
2. Actual grades
3. Electives - particularly in Chinese and English  B, Maths Studies, very easy to get 6-7
4. Offers
5. Final destinations
6. Programs


1 & 3 more difficult to provide, may not favour most schools.


ANChan59

chunyatmama

Hmmm, that's impressed. I though the result by ESF may not be that good.  While the result of CKY is a bit disappointing.  Do you have any idea if the students from CSS will sit in also IGCSE?

ANChan59

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You can go to ESF website and refer to the annual report, they listed out the MYP exam results. You can have a better understanding of the relationship between MYP and IBDP, like 2011 IBDP students should sit for MYP exam in 2009. But their students also sit for IGCSE, which will sharpen or dilute their IBDP results, I have no idea.
If not an accredited programs, we need to wait for the final result in IBDP.

Another parent asked me to compare the IGCSE exam results with different schools in 2011, just share with you all. BTW, its not an exhaustive list.

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I guess St Paul Convent may have the best IGCSE results. I also checked the results of ESF and CKY. the results as follow:

                   SPCS     ESF     CKY           UK
A*+A           68.3%   54.7%                     25.5%
A*/student   4.3A*
A+/student                           4.48A+
11A+                                        1
10+A*                         10
8A*/A                      252/966



For SPCS and ESF results are referred to their 2011 annual reports, CKY based on the Media coverage.


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chunyatmama

Cherubic and ANChan59,

Thank you very much for the fruitful discussion. MYP & PYP are my concerns as well.  I also think that for schools with MYP and PYP, the student will be prepared for the mind set, presentation skill and ways to handle different problem/questions at their early age.  Thus, CKY is a good choice for  IBDP but I have a bit reservation if they can prepare their kids in the early years.

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Haha you know my family rule. I will ask him during the weekend, he is very very busy in weekday.
I heard some feedback from a DBS Pre-IB boy came from MYP, I am not sure he came from ESF OR IS, he said that MYP provided some basic training for him in studying, and Pre-IB more focus on application which seems to be a good transition to DP.

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ANCHAN59,

Thanks for your input.
I have read the whole article.  It states that some people thought PYP, etc is suitable for all students of different ability.  However it does not elaborate further.  

I agree that DP is not suitable for all students because it demands a very good language ability as well as analytical skill and critical thinking.  I think these attributes are developed in early ages.  This thread is related to PYP.  Whether to go for PYP, the parents need to make decision when the kids are very young.  Those attributes required for DP may be too remote since their kids are still too young.  It means that they have to consider other factors so as to come up with an informed choice.

The students doing IB DP or MYP around me are those who have attended PYP as well.  My son is studying in PYP starting from kindergarten.  That means I do not have a first hand comparison of the difference in terms of performance in DP between

(1) Those students who have attended PYP and MYP; &
(2) Those students who have not attended PYP and MYP.

I understand your case as I have been following your tread.  Would you please ask your son (if he is willing to answer) - would he opt for PYP and/ or MYP if he could make his choice again?

Thanks.

ANChan59

cherubic 發表於 12-2-22 13:00
ANChan59,
Would you please let us know if there is any difference if the kid has attended PYP and MY ...

Cherubic
Our family didn't consider ESF and IS years back, so I didn't have first hand experience about PYP & MYP, therefore, I am not in a position to comment on the difference PYP & MYP. My experience is limited to IBDP.

I researched in the internet a moment ago and find an article from US - Michigan State related to IB - PYP, MYP, DP and also AP. The article also explained different routes after MYP and gifted education with IBDP, quite interesting and useful to map our kids footprint in HK.

http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/ib_or_not_ib_print.htm

I just post the conclusion as follow:

Conclusion

While one size never fits allin education, the growth of IB programming in Michigan is a positive addition to the former array of educational options. For years, educators and parents alike have searched for an alternative for middle school education, sometimes viewed as the weakest link in the educational chain. The MYP program, whetherthe standard five years, as is the case in part of Bloomfield Hills, or the three-year MYP program, such as that in part of Troy, offers a newoption for middle school students to become critical, divergent thinkers and global citizens. For the ambitious, hardworking high school student, the growth of International Baccalaureate programs adds to the Advanced Placement and dual enrollment options that existed previously.

Overall, the studied and structured growth of IBO schools in Michigan should be embraced even if it is not the answer for every gifted learner. As school districts or individual schools begin the IBO certification or conversion process, it is important to remember that IBO education represents a paradigm shift from top-down education to an interactive experience with a mutual exchange of information and ideas.The key word here is “process.” As with any major institutional change, some results will be readily apparent and others will take more time, more effort and more compromise. A key factor to a smooth transition is that parents, students, teachers and administrators buy into and own the experience.

Sorry for my limited knowledge, just refer some info for your reference.

ANChan59

cherubic

ANChan59,
Would you please let us know if there is any difference if the kid has attended PYP and MYP?  Waiting for your opinion.

ANChan59 發表於 12-2-22 00:21
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Christi

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Parents expectation >>> school philosophy.
Every year, on the Parents day, you can see so many tuition centers have staff to give out leaflets near by DBS.

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Christi
I promise you and I am doing some research (Search in internet and chat with some IB teachers from different schools, of course, I interviewed my son), I will share it with you and other parents in my thread "Sharing of NSS vs IB" in High School sub-forum about your question. Here is more relevant to PYP, I don't want to hijack the post.

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Christi

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ANChan59,

可唔可以講吓你覺得邊類性格小朋友唔太適合IB的呢? (except 時間管理差,語文能力差,欠閱讀興趣,被動等等) 因為我都諗緊呢個問題.

Thanks !

Christi