Partial results of HKDSE - 2012 (Updated 7-9-2012) + Tang Hin

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	全港平均	聖保羅男女	港大同學會	蕭明	張祝珊	庇利羅氏	鄉議局元朗
	HK Avg	SPCC	HKUGAC	DMHCSM	CCSC	BPS	NTHYKYLSS
No of students	70109	147	99	163			197
students are qualified for JUPAS degree course	37.70%	92%	66.7%	89.0%	90.2%		82%
No of level 5 or above		621		287			304
level 5 or above per student		4.22		1.70			1.54
No of level 4 or above		931		694			754
level 4 or above per student		6.33		4.00			3.83
5 subjects level 4 or above (HKU)	17.6%			50.9%	72.8%
students get level 5 or above in English Language	7.7%	82.3%	42.4%	23.3%	30.6%	43.60%	23%
students get level 5 or above in Chinese Language	8.4%	42.2%	15.2%	32.5%	20.8%	22.90%	26%
students get level 5 or above in Mathematics	12.1%	58.5%	37.4%	22.7%	46.8%	29.60%	35%
students get level 5 or above in Liberal Studies	7.7%	39.5%	14.1%	29.4%	13.3%	15.60%	17%

	全港平均	開平	宣基	德望	郭得勝	福建中學
	HK Avg	HPCCS	SKSS	GHS	KTSCSS	FKSS
No of students	70109		145			168
students are qualified for JUPAS degree course	37.70%		84.8%	80.1%	80%	67.30%
No of level 5 or above		265		383
level 5 or above per student
No of level 4 or above		674
level 4 or above per student
5 subjects level 4 or above (HKU)	17.6%				43%	26.20%
students get level 5 or above in English Language	7.7%			63.7%
students get level 5 or above in Chinese Language	8.4%		26.9%	19.2%
students get level 5 or above in Mathematics	12.1%		18.1%	27.4%
students get level 5 or above in Liberal Studies	7.7%		29.2%	24.2%

HKUGAC doing much better than I expect. I double-checked it already.

Sorry for my causal & careless comment, I deleted it and apologize for any inconvenience caused to related parents or students.

	全港平均	保良局張永慶	丘佐榮	曾兆添	鄧顯
	HK Avg	PLK No. 1	YMCA YJH Colleg	SKH TST	Tang Hin
No of students	70109		138	179	171
students are qualified for JUPAS degree course	37.70%		79.0%	92.0%	97.1%
No of level 5 or above				538
level 5 or above per student				3.01	3.09
No of level 4 or above
level 4 or above per student					5.89
5 subjects level 4 or above (HKU)	17.6%		42.80%		83.6%
students get level 5 or above in English Language	7.7%	26.5%	22.50%		35.1%
students get level 5 or above in Chinese Language	8.4%	30.1%	15.9%		42.7%
students get level 5 or above in Mathematics	12.1%	49.4%	23.4%		46.8%
students get level 5 or above in Liberal Studies	7.7%	18.7%	11.7%		48.5%

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elbar 發表於 12-7-20 23:14
可能好多學生已 提早跳船 讀 IB 或 前往 海外 升讀 High Schools, 避免做白老鼠   
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The first batch of IB will be in 2013, so no effect this year.
In the past, I have the same idea of overseas studying. But one of the SPCC parents told me that just one G11 class, they kicked 5-6 students out because they failed more than 2 core subjects, they are forced to study overseas and not as planned.

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Surprised me too.

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schoolrun 發表於 12-7-20 23:22
Thanks for sharing.

"SPCC's strategy to kick out incapable students ......" Do you really mean that ...

That's what I heard two weeks ago. I hope other parents to confirm or clarify that.

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Most of them use 4+ as credit or above  (I think 5 equivalent to C of HKALE) and their results more on 2 or 4 above. It's meaningless to me.
I use Excel to summarize those info now, many schools' info are incomplete and focus on how many 5**, also misleading.

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That's good.

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Due to different score boundaries

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  但係公報實際数據既貼文上有句咁既註腳 ==> SPCC.........
會唔會有點兒........  

Point taken, I shouldn't put two issues together.

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You are right, my careless comments on SPCC is inappropriate, no matter is true or not, I withdrew my comment and sorry for any inconvenience caused.
We need to be mature enough to segregate the issues, don't bring in my son or DBS as I don't represent DBS. You can read today's Apple Daily, the official reply from the Principal. DBS is not doing well in HKDSE. When I wrote the comment, I didn't have any info about DBS.

Thanks for your frank remarks and I learn something from this incident.

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asinai and nintendo

I admitted it's my "careless" comment, true or false up to you to comment.

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asinai 發表於 12-7-21 11:08
唔好意思, 我本來只是一隻塘邊鶴, 一向很怕傳言和爭拗, 故甚少發言....知道閣下是明理之人才敢出言
幸好,  ...

No sorry, you are absolutely right to point out my mistakes, you really treat me as a friend - "諫友"。

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Accepted.

Anyway, it's come from my careless comment. Be positive.

Next time just point out my weakness of remarks and comments, I will review them seriously. Your comments are heavy weighted.......

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20091 發表於 12-7-22 13:42
I try to build models to relate HKDSE with HKALE. Admission Grades to see the chances. Not scientific as it should be, take it as reference and as another tool to gauge your chance rather nothing from the school.

Pla read the remarks carefully.

http://www.edu-kingdom.com/home. ... do=blog&id=1666
HKDSE 2012 結果 - 應用篇

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見到 d 家長只在乎3322的%，及忙於抽水，忽略了缺乏資訊的情況下，非尖子如何選科的煩惱。

可能我的做法跟 redknoi 的升中分類都是小眾分析法....... 無乜娛樂性.....

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redkoni  助人的大前題並非嘩衆取寵，重點是實事求是。我對你的意見有100%信任並不是因為我盲目恭維你，而是基於你一向樂於助人的心。

Totally agreed.

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redkoni  你唔使飄飄然喇，我無黨無派，不會刻意討好任何人，亦從不賣帳，我一向從個人觀點論事，得罪人多稱呼人少是我的缺點，罪過...罪過...

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I know. that's your style.

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剛剛更新第一帖的新資料。

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首先聲明，我沒有責任代表任何學校解釋點解開 IB or IGCSE，但你提出的問題反映部分家長的誤解，而且我都收到不少PM有關類似你的提問，我希望提出一些其他角度的看法作研判。我亦明白好多名校家長唔想回應，因為在 EK 講名校，一定被圍攻，所以好多人寧願在 PM 發問，了解更深入的看法。


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如果用dse 同 al 比較, 在本地大學都是一樣, 有入大學成績並不代表可以入到大學, 但如果打算去英國讀書的話, 3322係連大學foundation 都不能入讀, 所以現在有一現象, 愈來愈多中四生跳船.
[這個基本不是大學及中學的問題，是考評局及教育局一直誤導學生及家長，他們以為唔駛在中五被淘汰及取得3322就等如有機會入大學。大家都留意到當『港大』宣佈要44444才有機會升讀大學，好多學生及家長才如夢初醒。]

但今次亦看到一些現象, 係一些直資名校為了入大學比率高些而辦IB課程, 當然這些學生自然係尖子同屋企負擔得起,但一些不打算出外升學的學生又如何處理?
[你可能誤解直資學校為何搞 IB 及 IGCSE，以為是提升入大學率是美麗的誤會，因為學校唔開IB 及 IGCSE，那些學生都會去外國或轉去李寶椿或國際學校。學校辦IB or IGCSE 反而幫家長讓孩子留在香港多幾年才作海外升學的決定，同時學好中文。就算我兒子初步決定在香港上大學，我們選 IB 因為是一個較好的課程，NSS 事實上參考了 IB，但抄了部份形態，但沒有學到神髓。學校沒有忽視其他新高中的同學，始終新課程而且教育局的課程編排錯亂，任何學校都要摸索。]


書教不完也沒辦法, 照讓學生去考試, [這是我剛才所說，教育局考慮不週的結果，因為IB and IGCSE 不會強迫學生唔夠能力都要讀較深的課程，因此影響教學進度及深度。IB  可以選Standard Level (SL), or Higher Level (HL)，等如HKDSE 數學的分法，核心加延伸課程，為甚麼其他科目不這樣做。考 IGCSE 可以考8-10科，但GCE ALE只會選3-5科，因為程度不同。你再留意綜合科學是有向這個方向做，但教育局又唔敢講得太清楚。課程根本教唔完，難道只有直資學校有問題，其他官津亦面對同樣問題，我覺得你的論點未必成立。]


要知道IB課程是要龐大嘅註冊費, [你試試上網看看，夠境要多少錢，你會明白幾年前個別直資校長是敷衍家長唔全面推行IB 的初中及小學課程(MYP. PYP) 的藉口而已。他們亦誤導家長已為IB單純為出國留學而設計。]


而DSE係要龐大嘅資源, 學校又怎樣分配? 只好放棄成功率不高那邊,
[你留意DBS and SPCC，IB & NSS 教學及資源是獨立分開，沒有所為攤薄資源的說法。就算 IB 大樓都是校友捐贈，不是公帑付款。]


DBS 校長更說因為IB課程而出年要交(加)學費. [你是否知道 IB 學費跟 NSS 是不一樣(HK$5,800 vs HK$3,300)，加學費是整體加，而非NSS 補貼 IB，在家長會講得好清楚，外人道聽途說令你誤會，我是明白的。]


說學生跳船, 不如說校長鼓勵學生跳船. [ 學生跳船是真有其事，因為家長及學生對NSS and IB 都缺乏信心，所以用腳投票了，有去外國因為搏入劍橋牛津，Ivy League，部份根本跟唔上。就算在香港IB and NSS 都有5-6人轉往李寶椿。現在是IB 較HKDSE 成績好些，已經招來評論，如果 IB 都失手，可能批評得重害，更難聽。]


我亦有朋友女兒是就讀某女校, 因為校長放棄DSE而以IGSE代替校內試, 所以選擇離開學校, 因為她不打算去外地升學. [ 幾年前，但有15-20+學生用 IGCSE 拔尖入三大時，家長應該是歡迎的，現在無拔尖，又有不同決定了。]

我不是要說某間學校好, 某間不好, 只是若果不打算去外地升學的話, 無論DSE好與唔好都要面對, 既然要面對就要選擇一間校長都係積極去面對dse嘅學校,免得日後才發覺自己同學校嘅目標不同 [你的提點是合理。過三年後，因為大家都清楚是教育局的失察及低估學生能力所致，NSS 會有改善，應該漸入佳境。始終non-JUPAS 學位有限，三年後IB & IGCSE 會飽和，爭議會減少。]



小兒讀了一年 Pre-IB 加一年 IB ，我認為課程設計是好全面培訓學生的學習，語文，分析，表達，獨立思考，時間管理的能力。學費是貴了些，但不用補習班，不一定出國留學，慳番唔少錢，事實上是物超所值。可惜 IB 不適合部份小朋友，太習慣香港的填鴨教育，未必適應 IB的課程。

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你留意下考評局的解說，1-5是水平參照，5*及5**是照拉curve，因為資助學位無增加，入學情況跟 HKALE 有d相似。
334 亦都配合資歷架構，唔講合唔合格，著重 Competence base，跟傳統理解有些分別。

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希望幫到其他家長了解較接近事實的一面，理性討論之下，大家會掌握較多真相，作出合宜的選擇或決定。

我知不少家長對名校有認識，有真有假，有時好難分清楚，希望其他資訊之下，家長會分到誰真誰假。通常我錯了唔介意承認，跟著修訂，盡量反映接近真實面。