ESF vs UK State School (Top 5%)

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有冇朋友比較過香港IS同英國較好嘅state school? (小學)。小朋友香港讀緊ESF，上個月收到英國reception offer，諗緊去唔去好，去就將來搏一搏入grammar school但又未知佢academic能力，擔心第時中學搏唔到grammar school唔知去咗咩state school，仲差過香港讀ESF，得不償失😥

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認同讀到11+先試考嗰邊grammar school似乎比較進可攻退可守啲，不過可能嗰邊啲較著重成績嘅state primary school會比香港IS更針對11+訓練學生，英文程度可能比香港IS更好（聽講考grammar school啲英文local都覺得深），但真係可能會變返喺香港LS嗰種催谷文化，成件事變咗質。

如果撇除升中前境，似乎香港IS小學嘅資源同環境普遍比英國state school好。不過我見嗰間state school都好多活動參觀呢樣比賽嗰樣，唔係啲人講到state school咁差，可能小學又冇中學咁大落差啦。純粹感覺。

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完全認同。
其實好難得喺香港可以有快樂自主童年又唔使擔心考學校。快樂自主童年唔係話hea做齋玩happy school，而係唔使做一啲只係為咗考學校、跟遊戲規則為做而做嘅嘢。我見身邊好多朋友無奈做緊。

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你喺Kent？唔係好多地區去到35%。最top最selective頭嗰幾間唔計catchment，已經完全唔諗，應該難過登天。btw有啲grammar school入oxbridge仲低過comprehensive所以都似乎好參差 (當然oxbridge不是一切但姑且用呢個parameter作客觀比較)

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貝珠 發表於 23-5-22 20:07
如果針對催谷文化講，英國state 又好私校又好，以小學嚟計，同香港公立直私差好遠啦。

英國大部分家庭都 ...

Very helpful insight thanks a lot!

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kooliestgirl 發表於 23-5-25 13:40
去到移民咁大件事，學校問題其實只係其中一件小事

每個家庭移民與否都有不同考慮，value不同priority也不同，自然會比較不同選項的opportunity cost。和很多家庭一樣，我們家庭把子女教育放很高，學校當然是很重要一環，所以對我們家庭來說學校和教育不是小事也直接影響移民決定。當然很多人會說子女能否學有所成是取決於他們自己和父母怎樣去教，但不能否認學校佔很大角色，那也是家長們來這討論區的原因吧。

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fchiang168 發表於 23-5-28 11:07
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英國 Grammar Schools 唔係咁易考。識有六個例子，在港是band 1 本地學校，考唔 ...

So they were studying band 1 local school in hong kong and flew to UK to take the 11+?

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fchiang168 發表於 23-6-2 09:26
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11+ 喺飛去英國考的。如考Grammar Schools 高啲年班嘅，學校如用自己出的卷，又肯 ...

Thanks for the info.
I guess qualifying the 11+ getting a place in (good) grammar schools is already a very challenging task for UK students, and could be even harder for IS students in HK, not to mention LS. Not sure if hothousing the kids with past papers would help, but I guess the language environment does matter a lot too.

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Poyau 發表於 23-6-19 18:08
Tutoring could help to some extent and its effectiveness depends on a more important factor - innat ...

Yes agreed and I guess tutoring mainly helps with the format. But as I can see those questions, like those 學能測驗 things, have specific logic. More training might help familiarize yourself with those ways of thinking thus getting the correct answers.

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964000 發表於 23-6-19 19:34
我朋友住在英國，去考grammar school,
她說大部分都係亞洲人和印度人去考

Yes some grammar schools like the Reading School have student mix of Indians being the majority. And the best performing state primary schools in London are dominated by Indians. Bright kids whose families can pay will go to independent and won't fight for grammar school places I assume.

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Goodluck2022 發表於 23-6-20 19:06
For bright students, they should aim for ivy league schools in the US.

UK doesnt have many high pai ...

If "high paid job" is considered then one may just stay in Hong Kong saving all the money and hassle. And indeed Sammy Leung's son just came back from Brighton College for medical school in Hong Kong.
Btw do you have FP?

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FennieMan 發表於 23-7-5 21:47
我以－個’用家‘媽媽身份答你。我對女（孖女），由細到大都係讀ESF, 兩個同樣地考Kent 某間grammar school ...

Thanks for your sharing. Yes indeed many parents say ESF is not academically vigorous enough and fighting for a grammar school place (depending on which tier of course) could be very demanding in terms of preparation. Did you take additional courses for your daughters before sitting the 11+? And did you take the exam in UK with an address there? Some of them have catchment. Thanks!

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eit2003 發表於 23-7-5 23:12
既然擔心入唔到grammar, 甘不如留係香港esf一條龍算，起碼有 d edb 既特殊野暫時都唔會係 ischool入面出現 ...

Yes seems a better option than a comprehensive in uk, if no grammar or good boarding.

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宮二 發表於 24-2-17 18:03
State primary 基本上係不會、政府亦不容許操11+
私校就睇下邊間，定位係考grammar的就會操，定位考私校的 ...

Got it. I heard some state primary students saying "their schools help them to get into the Grammar schools that they want" in some school prospectus things. Wonder if some schools will still prepare the kids in subtle or unofficial ways given the government actually bans it?
And yes, so true for the no free lunch thing no matter where the your kids are.

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貝珠 發表於 24-2-18 05:38
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都唔係架，state primary 都好多人考到grammar 同好嘅day scho ...

Your DD should be year 6 by now and how's preparation for 11+ so far? Any private tutorials? All the best!