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ChiChiPaPa 發表於 18-6-14 08:38
而管理顧問行業，雖然MBB較出名，但Accenture係最大。佢係Authur Andersen的consulting arm - Andersen Co ...

AA以前consulting最出名，我入行時八大，而家得番四大，最近水記英國客戶出事，英國在討論四大太大，是否要拆細，天下真的分久必合，合久必分？

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ChiChiPaPa 發表於 18-6-14 05:43
我囡最近睇本書，好似叫。

不要介意其他人的眼光，跳Grade係對能力的肯定，相信對career的幫助遠比只加盡 ...

你误会了，担心的是管理层，特别是 partner担心，不患寡而患不均！做细嘅点会有问题，加尽约60%，跳 grade 是 double 。

反而 senior 会鼓励 junior 2－3年后过塘，然后再返嚟，会跳快好多。

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to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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ANChan59 發表於 18-6-14 08:48
你误会了，担心的是管理层，特别是 partner担心，不患寡而患不均！做细嘅点会有问题，加尽约60%，跳 grade ...

Senior都有道理。在Advisory，稀有經驗係好值錢。

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poonseelai 發表於 18-6-14 08:43
AA以前consulting最出名，我入行時八大，而家得番四大，最近水記英國客戶出事，英國在討論四大太大，是否 ...

在当年五大之中AA是consulting 之中最出名的！

想当年，我有几年在 consulting field，AA 透过head hunter 揾我，不过婉拒了。因为我入行好短时间内已经升 Director 然后 salaried partner！

Partner 时，KPMG consulting 直接斟过我，因为我在几个香港 project 砌低佢哋，但同个 partner 在 package 倾唔掂，他们 match 唔到，我几个月后在金融危机之前去了 commercial，在上市公司做集团老总。

纯吹水，我曽经在巴黎上过一个 PW 的 consultancy training，真係教得好好，frameworks 跟 MBA 差不多，但实战应用方面好有用。后来我由 process improvement 转 strategy 都是因为这个原因。Strategy 係抢手好多，转去 commercial 易好多！

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poonseelai 發表於 18-6-14 08:43
AA以前consulting最出名，我入行時八大，而家得番四大，最近水記英國客戶出事，英國在討論四大太大，是否 ...

Oil majors 一样。

另一个原因是欧盟的反垄断法！

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ChiChiPaPa 發表於 18-6-14 08:17
Taxtech 和 global tax regulations 會否帶來改變呢?

No that much, in fact, not many co have tax department, only a small team of one or two for in-house and as a supporting department. No further advancement to C-suite.

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poonseelai 發表於 18-6-14 07:21
以前会計師是四師之一，因加薪加得快，十幾年前big 4 audit/tax, 一般5年升manager, 8年升senior manager, ...

因加薪加得快 because you do two-year jobs in one year, we always said our hourly rate lower than MacDonald

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Doray 發表於 18-6-14 00:54
如果係令公子就恭喜你，牌面呢兩飯都係hot,如果仲有埋台型咁當接班人咁handle 就唔同講法。 ...

两个在第一年 performance review 之后都入咗 fast track list ，是明日之星。

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ChiChiPaPa 發表於 18-6-14 08:26
係咪即係現時的Accenture?

Accenture was spin off from Arthur Anderson after Enron and the audit section taken up by PWC.

Big 8:

Arthur Andersen (until its closure in 2002 for a conviction related to the Enron scandal which was later overturned by the US Supreme Court)[8]
Arthur Young
Coopers and Lybrand (until 1973 Cooper Brothers in the UK and Lybrand, Ross Bros., & Montgomery in the United States)[9]
Ernst & Whinney (until 1979 Ernst & Ernst in the United States and Whinney Murray in the UK)
Deloitte Haskins & Sells (until 1978 Haskins & Sells in the United States and Deloitte & Co. in the UK)
Peat Marwick Mitchell (later Peat Marwick, then KPMG)
Price Waterhouse
Touche Ross

The Big 5 Accounting Firms were:

Ernst & Young
Deloitte & Touche
Arthur Andersen
KPMG
PricewaterhouseCoopers

Big 4

Ernst & Young
Deloitte & Touche
KPMG
PricewaterhouseCoopers

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ChiChiPaPa 發表於 18-6-14 08:38
而管理顧問行業，雖然MBB較出名，但Accenture係最大。佢係Authur Andersen的consulting arm - Andersen Co ...

MBB only take Ivy league candidates
I read an essay discussing about consultancy works. Big 4 already taken 40% of consultancy jobs worldwide and Deloitte should be the number one in terms of revenue from this field.

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ChiChiPaPa 發表於 18-6-14 06:39
如果咁講，現今小朋友的機會不比以前小。KPMG的tax和audit都分別有program給中大的學生，畢業後有機會直入 ...

应该有类似安排的。

我反而奇怪阿仔最后一个暑假，中大GIobal Internship Program 推荐佢去 Big 4 的紐約做 deal advisory，但後來香港冇 return offer ，只要partner interview 才入可以職，亦不能直入第二年！在 partner interview 集中問在 New York 學乜嘢。他自己知道 GIP 幫佢不少，入行之後真係睇心態及能力。

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ChiChiPaPa 發表於 18-6-14 08:17
Taxtech 和 global tax regulations 會否帶來改變呢?

你都好update, 香港跟OECD, 嚟緊transfer pricing 係賺錢方向，簡單講係關連公司之間交易如何定價，会影響各自收入支出和交幾多稅。big 4 資源多，已有transfer pricing team

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Doray 發表於 18-6-14 09:23
MBB only take Ivy league candidates
I read an essay discussing about consultancy works. Big 4 alre ...

That’s my understanding too.

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ANChan59 發表於 18-6-14 09:10
在当年五大之中AA是consulting 之中最出名的！

想当年，我有几年在 consulting field，AA 透过head hunte ...

The most valuable part of Big 4 or reputable consultancy firms should be their systematic framework. Anyone could easily follow and learn by themselves in a very quick pace. Whatever task assigned at what grade, no one will tell I can't handle it. Everyone learn to resolve any issues by themselves and think a way out. That's a very good training.

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Doray 發表於 18-6-14 09:23
MBB only take Ivy league candidates
I read an essay discussing about consultancy works. Big 4 alre ...

big4 is starting law practice as well, can't remember which one.

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poonseelai 發表於 18-6-14 09:30
big4 is starting law practice as well, can't remember which one.

I just read column saying that Big 4 already threaten the business of 4As (marketing)

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Doray 發表於 18-6-14 09:30
The most valuable part of Big 4 or reputable consultancy firms should be their systematic framework. ...

我覺得 frameworks 幇到手搵問題点，但去到 formulate strategy，我覺得 Big 4 就傾向保守，還有過份留后著，較少去挑戰個客戶的底線。

Strategy 还是 MBB 较出色，细型 consultancy firm，靠 specialty 立足，在某些领域可以砌低 MBB。

你上面讲，Big 4 audit ，一年等於出面两年经验，去到 consulting，一年可能顶三到五年！我试过同一时间睇三间上市公司，真係唔夠瞓，有些心理不平衡，最后寧愿掙少 d，去 commercial。

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.