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本帖最後由 cow 於 18-3-14 09:30 編輯

對 Electronic Engineering 有興趣, 可留意以下5G研究很強的大學.

UK
KCL
Surrey
Bristol

US
New York U
U of Texas at Austin
UC Berkeley
Stanford U

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何謂5G大學?

如果是 TMT 相關,可能搵 6G 及 7G 較適合,到4年後畢業時,5G已經開始落後了!
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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本帖最後由 cow 於 18-3-14 14:01 編輯

回覆 ANChan59 的帖子

5G是指第5代移動通訊
移動通訊大蓋10年一代
1980 1G 大哥大 (motorola)
1990 2G (2.5G)(Ericsson,motorola,nokia)
2000 3G (3.5G)(apple, nokia, samsung)
2010 4G (4.5G)(apple, huawei, samsung, xiaomi)
2020 5G

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ANChan59 發表於 18-3-14 13:22
何謂5G大學?

如果是 TMT 相關,可能搵 6G 及 7G 較適合,到4年後畢業時,5G已經開始落後了!

我一向不愛大學教太多應用野,因為應用科技變化好大好快。例如教 radio wave 不是5G。或者教思考不是教程序。
The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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shadeslayer 發表於 18-3-14 14:23
我一向不愛大學教太多應用野,因為應用科技變化好大好快。例如教 radio wave 不是5G。或者教思考不是教程 ...
同意。讀完出來已經講6G,7G。而且應用技術唔會喺大學,會在Qualcomm, Hwawai等手上。

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shadeslayer 發表於 18-3-14 14:23
我一向不愛大學教太多應用野,因為應用科技變化好大好快。例如教 radio wave 不是5G。或者教思考不是教程 ...
Engineering is the application of science and mathematics.

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本帖最後由 cow 於 18-3-14 15:44 編輯
akys 發表於 18-3-14 15:05
同意。讀完出來已經講6G,7G。而且應用技術唔會喺大學,會在Qualcomm, Hwawai等手上。 ...

5G都未定好, 就話out? 6G應該10年後才有.

Engineering 一向是理論與實踐, 學software programming 一定要找一種或多種programming language去學. Communications都係. 大學都唔會點教5G野, 但如果final year 做5G, IoT, smart city有關project. 將來做政府 Engineer 都唔錯 (6萬幾+housing), Trainee 都3萬幾.

而家講嘅大學就係有應用技術.


KCL News

King's College London is one of three sites in the UK that will be linked up via 5G test beds for the first time thanks to £16m investment from the Government.

The funding, announced by Minister for Digital Matt Hancock today, will bring King's, the University of Surrey and the University of Bristol together for the development of the world’s first trials of end-to-end 5G system.


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本帖最後由 akys 於 18-3-14 17:19 編輯
cow 發表於 18-3-14 15:33
5G都未定好, 就話out? 6G應該10年後才有.

Engineering 一向是理論與實踐, 學software programming 一定要 ...

始終係Gimmick多啲, 好過冇咁啦。手機來來去去都係RF加埋TDMA,CDMA,FDMA,MIMO Network等技術。5G用mmWave,高頻啲,快啲咁解。傳聞2020 Ofiicially Launch,現時好似已經有幾個Test Sites試緊。最快19年入學,畢業時已經commercially Launched,到時應該研究緊6G,唔知啲Potential僱主點睇呢啲5G經驗。

不過有政府錢搞個Mobile Network Test Site俾學生玩都好嘅。

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akys 發表於 18-3-14 17:03
始終係Gimmick多啲, 好過冇咁啦。手機來來去去都係RF加埋TDMA,CDMA,FDMA,MIMO Network等技術。5G用mmWav ...

聽華為CTO講,在世界不同地區城市已經 pilot run 緊 5G網絡。礙於美國阻力,澳洲政府最近終止其中澳洲的 5G pilot site.
God grant me the serenity
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courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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ANChan59 發表於 18-3-14 17:18
聽華為CTO講,在世界不同地區城市已經 pilot run 緊 5G網絡。礙於美國阻力,澳洲政府最近終止其中澳洲的 5 ...
好似係!不過關唔關美國事就唔知了。 另外韓國都搞咗個。

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akys 發表於 18-3-14 17:22
好似係!不過關唔關美國事就唔知了。 另外韓國都搞咗個。

因为美國噏華為5G危害國家安全及利益,所以另外搞 5G,澳洲政府受到或者感受到壓力,要企番美國果邊。
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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本帖最後由 akys 於 18-3-14 17:34 編輯
ANChan59 發表於 18-3-14 17:28
因为美國噏華為5G危害國家安全及利益,所以另外搞 5G,澳洲政府受到或者感受到壓力,要企番美國果邊。
...

華為始終和部隊有關係。個Mobile Network每日傳送咁多嘢,多一個Hilary咁咪乜國家機密都Cap晒!

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發表於 18-3-14 17:46 |顯示全部帖子
cow 發表於 18-3-14 15:13
Engineering is the application of science and mathematics.

Engineering cover 太闊,你知唔知牛津得一科叫 Engineering science.

Application 唔係唔得,都要揀D fundamental 一些,如 structural design.  I just don't prefer studying application, or my child studying applications/procedures.
The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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shadeslayer 發表於 18-3-14 17:46
Engineering cover 太闊,你知唔知牛津得一科叫 Engineering science.

Application 唔係唔得,都要揀D f ...

Oxford Engineering Science係有佢嘅特色, 但都離唔開應用.

[from engineering council]

Integrated Masters (MEng) Degrees

The weighting given to the six broad areas of learning below will vary according to
the nature and aims of each programme.
1. Science and mathematics
2. Engineering analysis
3. Design
4. Economic, legal, social, ethical and environmental context
5. Engineering practice
6. Additional general skills

Engineering analysis
Engineering analysis involves the application of engineering concepts and tools to
the solution of engineering problems. Graduates will need:

Design
Design at this level is the creation and development of an economically viable
product, process or system to meet a defined need. It involves significant
technical and intellectual challenges and can be used to integrate all engineering
understanding, knowledge and skills to the solution of real and complex problems.

Engineering practice
This is the practical application of engineering skills, combining theory and
experience
, and use of other relevant knowledge and skills.

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cow 發表於 18-3-14 18:00
Oxford Engineering Science係有佢嘅特色, 但都離唔開應用.

[from engineering council]

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 18-3-14 19:19 編輯

精粹不是離開應用與否,精粹係 "Science"

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cow 發表於 18-3-14 15:13
Engineering is the application of science and mathematics.

北美很多傳統大學工程糸都叫 Faculty of Applied Science.

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shadeslayer 發表於 18-3-14 17:46
Engineering cover 太闊,你知唔知牛津得一科叫 Engineering science.

Application 唔係唔得,都要揀D f ...

Most applications based on fundamentals. No conflicts.

Most engineering degrees have both elements, all depends on the split.

The handicap of application is easily obsoleted or replaceable. Particularly related to IT.
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本帖最後由 cow 於 18-3-16 23:59 編輯
ANChan59 發表於 18-3-16 10:41
Most applications based on fundamentals. No conflicts.

Most engineering degrees have both element ...

An accredited engineering degree must have both elements. Doing applications can understand more about fundamental and foundation knowledge. While most new applications especially those upgraded generations are based on the old one. Digital wireless communications standards share many common characteristics. Understanding one computer language well, eg: c, you can easily learn any new computer languages.


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ANChan59 發表於 18-3-16 10:41
Most applications based on fundamentals. No conflicts.

Most engineering degrees have both element ...

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 18-3-16 20:42 編輯

I just don't like a degree course focusing too much on application.  If you focus on application, you use fundamentals but you don't know why we use them to our application.

Some employers may prefer graduates knowing what to do and a lot of application training.  They want someone who can hit the ground and run.   But it is not good from the person's long term development.

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cow 發表於 18-3-16 11:05
An accreditated engineering degree must have both elements. Doing applications can understand more a ...

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 18-3-16 14:24 編輯

Spending to much time learning C, etc at formal University education definitely falls into my definition of "not very useful". I know some people think they are useful, I respect that, just not for me or my child.