請教grammar

shadeslayer

1998Ruby1998 發表於 17-12-11 20:50
返帖正題，剛剛諗起心理語言堂有幾句幾有趣，大家可以叫下小朋友睇下諗下個句子文法成唔成立。睇唔出唔緊要 ...

“man” is a verb

“numbers” is a verb

“Police” is both a verb and a noun and there seems to be a couple of police missing in your sentence.

The first one is problematic.There is only one verb

shadeslayer

1998Ruby1998 發表於 17-12-12 09:26
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There's no police missing in the sentence. I noticed I missed out a word in ...

First one

You still have only two verbs with 4 subjects.  

Last one, if no police is missing, then the last bit is:

Police-police-police (subject) police (verb) police-police (object)

shadeslayer

helenfan888 發表於 17-12-12 16:04
學生問：「我們說英文那麼總有詞不達意的時候啊」

外國老師用廣東話說：「我食三文治今朝，您明唔明? -_-" ...

問題係一樣語言的用處，遠多於只在「正式報告」時。

shadeslayer

1998Ruby1998 發表於 17-12-12 16:46
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If you add "that" into the sentence, it will be The mouse that the cat that ...

This is interesting. But the sentence still does not make sense.

"The dog the man chased ran away" is perfectly clear.But if you add "The mouse the cat" in front, nothing else, it is not a proper sentence anymore.

How can you add Two article and Two nouns in front of a proper sentence and the result is still a proper sentence?  

For example, The Sun the rock the car was slow.

What does adding mouse and cat even mean?

shadeslayer

1998Ruby1998 發表於 17-12-12 19:26
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It has multiple centre embeddings. We can take "the mouse ran away" and sti ...

Then your sentence must be:

The mouse the cat the dog the man chased chased chased ran away.

The mouse the cat the dog the man chased (correspond to the man) chased (correspond to the dog) chased (correspond to the cat) ran away (correspond to the mouse).

You see, then this sentence at least make grammatical sense.

You can't omit two "chased" and share one chased with 3 subjects. If you want to share the verb, you have to have "and". Eg, The cat and the dog chased the mouse.

That is:. The mouse, the cat and the dog the man chased ran away.

This sentence also make perfect grammatical sense.

There are either missed "and"s or missed "chased"s in the original sentence.

I am not trying to challenge you, just want to get to the bottom of this interesting sentence, as I am just a science guy.

shadeslayer

1998Ruby1998 發表於 17-12-12 21:17
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One "chased" is enough, as my professor had explained.

Sometimes I detect that possibility and explicitly say I am not challenging someone.  I am just curious.  May be it is Asian attitude towards "questions". Western teachers welcome questions and do not normally see them as challenges.

You study in the UK, you should also learn that openness.  

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The "that" is not necessary.Add it or not, it does not change the meaning.

Let me ask you, what if the cat, the dog and the man do not all chased each other, they do something different.Say,chased, killed, scratched.

How do you then structure the sentence.

I am saying then:

The mouse the cat the dog the man chased killed scratched ran away.

I am 100% sure the above is grammatically correct.

Why do changing chased, killed, scratched to chased, chased, chased, suddenly you can omit two "chased" without adding "and".

I am sure UK professors welcome questions at the right time.They won't see them as "Challenged" by students.

shadeslayer

1998Ruby1998 發表於 17-12-12 21:43
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The picture the professor showed was exactly the mouse the cat the dog the  ...

By what reason can two chased be omitted?   As I explained, we can use "The mouse, the cat and the dog chased" to share a verb.  this is standard Grammar, right?

Next time, can I use a simple sentence:

The mouse the cat the dog swam in the bath tub.

Is that a formal sentence structure I can use in formal documents like a CV or I teach my child?

By what rule or reason the two chased can be omitted without adding a comma and an "and"?

Questions like the above, what gave you the feeling of being harsh as opposed to being direct? May be plenty of "please" and "would you"?

I thought you are not my teacher and we come out to share ideas, do we really need these formalities?

shadeslayer

1998Ruby1998 發表於 17-12-12 22:43
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It's not about teacher or not. Your comments in this platform is direct, bu ...

It is certainly not my intention to offend.  I gain nothing by offending people here.

I was wondering what gave you that harshness feeling.

shadeslayer

1998Ruby1998 發表於 17-12-12 23:16
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你唔好怪我在此突然咁直接，我亦唔係批評或者數落。

Thank you.Euphemism certainly isn't my strong point. I would bite my tongue if I don't want to upset people, too much.

And there are a few people whose behaviour and views I don't respect.

shadeslayer

poonseelai 發表於 17-12-13 07:48
本帖最後由 poonseelai 於 17-12-13 07:55 編輯

難怪有人話大學中學化，亞媽担心上大學攞唔到高分？補 ...

又係，大學揀得 History, 中學應該讀過 History, 心裏有數，甚至善長。不然為何揀 History?

shadeslayer

poonseelai 發表於 17-12-13 09:18
本帖最後由 poonseelai 於 17-12-13 09:23 編輯

你咁有心機教人，建議你開個facebook專頁教grammar, 現 ...

做個 YouTuber 可能唔止 master, doctor 都得。

shadeslayer

little_yolky 發表於 17-12-13 11:46
此言差矣。報大學歷史系, 係唔駛讀過歷史的, 死未。

我知，但中學不修歴史，點知自己鐘唔鐘意？謬然揀歷史讀？

shadeslayer

little_yolky 發表於 17-12-13 14:14
因為高中選科家長參與度高LOL。

我朋友係教師, 佢同事係歷史科主任, 當然唔係咩叻學校啦。有個女同學好鐘 ...

家長真係。。。。

歷史有趣不單是故事般情節，更有趣的是背後的思考，人類行為，etc etc.

shadeslayer

poonseelai 發表於 17-12-13 14:03
本帖最後由 poonseelai 於 17-12-13 14:07 編輯

我上warwick網頁看到2018 entry requirements A level  ...

外國人讀歷史，重分析思考和意見。

shadeslayer

IloveJJ 發表於 17-12-13 20:54
現在DSE既歷史不是背史實的，要分析。

在香港仍依重標準答案的風氣，講分析講個人意見，都係得個講字。

shadeslayer

1998Ruby1998 發表於 17-12-14 08:53
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So far 好彩冇咩家長係好麻煩，都好相處。不過係有個家長不斷要個中二女女只做文法 ...

有無見學生補左五日文法練習有進步？

shadeslayer

little_yolky 發表於 17-12-14 12:34
下年? 乜你咁快畢業嗎? 回港通知聲, 去機場攞個啦啦球迎接你。

Ruby 可能一向用 Skype 幫人補緊。

shadeslayer

MC1128 發表於 17-12-14 14:05
即使你係無意圖, 事實上, 確係言語冒犯了很多網友, 奇怪你真的不自覺嗎? 相信好多EK友看得清清楚楚

我没說粗話，每次也好好心機講道理，沒有漫駡，又沒有討論中叫人看醫生。我斯文過好多網友。  如果有人因為我的 tone 唔開心，因為我 direct 唔開心，我只可建議睇開D。