以我呢幾年收集的資料, 全港頭5名中學DSE成績就係呢幾間

BBKDWLAM

hkpapa852 發表於 17-10-19 08:37
整體4+/5+平均既計法, 唔會因為考多D科而比例高咗喎?

但人均4/5, 會因為考多/少科而有所不同

想講通常低咗。

讀多一科，整體4+/5+通常唔會高咗，第三選修科常理差過第一二科，所以讀6科學校同讀7科學校直接比較會有誤解。例如6科學校整體4+是100%，可以預期best 6整體都會24分以上。但7科學校整體4+只要86%，假設平均，學生整體best 6都可以24分以上。所以唔可以講100%一定好過86%，特別係講大學收生。

因為大家討論緊用咩好方法去排學校，所以先數學上咁講，知道現實B1同B2未必咁比。

其實終於參透到數據王點解計數時會提及平均讀幾多科，真係高人

MC1128

NeoMom 發表於 17-10-18 13:25
呢幾年成績比較穩佔頭5的就係呢幾間, SMCC在我記錄2015,2016都不在5名內, SPCS沒有公佈數字, MCS從來未入個 ...

Mcs 2014-2017 人均5+ 3.19
校網有公布
http://www.mcs.edu.hk/mcs_1213/plan_stat.htm

NeoMom

MC1128 發表於 17-10-19 14:24
Mcs 2014-2017 人均5+ 3.19
校網有公布
http://www.mcs.edu.hk/mcs_1213/plan_stat.htm

如果係咁就要換走鄧顥換入MCS, 即係傳統名校既天下了

MC1128

NeoMom 發表於 17-10-19 14:28
如果係咁就要換走鄧顥換入MCS, 即係傳統名校既天下了

個人認為mcs 未入5大
其實大家都有很多好意見，每項數據反映不同意義，越多資料越有參考價值

作為用家，希望校方公布更多资料

hkpapa852

NeoMom 發表於 17-10-19 14:28
如果係咁就要換走鄧顥換入MCS, 即係傳統名校既天下了

其實MCS既數據, 暫時只能計到 2011-2012同埋 2015-2016年既4+同5+平均, 同埋人均4+/5+.


慢慢將呢幾幅圖既數字去分析吓啦!

Manwingtak

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Dear hkpapa852,
I know it may be asking too much, but as you have gathered lots of data over the years already, would it be possible for you to comply some kind of average performance as well, may be just the Band 1A schools (may be at the beginning).

Individual school's DSE performance fluctuates yearly, this is not unexpected as student input also vary yearly.
For most of the schools, the fluctuation is more related to student input variation rather than other causes, e.g. teaching efficiency fluctuations, as most of the schools do not have great yearly teacher turnover rate that will impact students' performance yearly.

Of course, there still may be special reasons for great changes, e.g. start of small class teaching - WYC (Kln).
Or a significant proportion of students taking GCSE instead - SPCS.

Of course, even comparing the average won't settle all the questions, and by no means the only way to rank a school (it should be more than just DSE performance).

Just think that the average performance will give some insight on the overall DSE performance of schools.      

chun媽

humble123 發表於 17-10-18 17:18
女校完勝都係預期之內，基本上 DSE 四個 core 有三個都係 language related，男校真係較為蝕底。:thinking ...

所以,或多或少都會影響男女入U比例,結果陰盛陽衰

MC1128

chun媽 發表於 17-10-19 20:59
所以,或多或少都會影響男女入U比例,結果陰盛陽衰

語文優勢在女生, 理科優勢在男生

港大醫學院今年JUPAS入學計

三大戶是: QC, LSC, DGS (排名分先後)

humble123

MC1128 發表於 17-10-19 21:20
語文優勢在女生, 理科優勢在男生

港大醫學院今年JUPAS入學計

會唔會因為今年港大醫學院改左制睇 BEST 6，而唔係好似以前咁睇 4C+2X，變左可以睇少一科語文。

Sophie0804

humble123 發表於 17-10-19 22:34
會唔會因為今年港大醫學院改左制睇 BEST 6，而唔係好似以前咁睇 4C+2X，變左可以睇少一科語文。
...

有很多smart 的女仔不一定選醫科，讀得辛苦、出來做嘢又辛苦

hkpapa852

humble123 發表於 17-10-19 22:34
會唔會因為今年港大醫學院改左制睇 BEST 6，而唔係好似以前咁睇 4C+2X，變左可以睇少一科語文。
...

如果大家細心留意下校務報告, 會發現男校同女校選科情況既分別.

如果學生修讀文科較多, 目標自然唔係醫科

RunningPig

MC1128 發表於 17-10-19 21:20
語文優勢在女生, 理科優勢在男生

港大醫學院今年JUPAS入學計

都幾 surprised. SPCC 不是頭三?

MC1128

RunningPig 發表於 17-10-20 09:18
都幾 surprised. SPCC 不是頭三?

未計non jupas

rubycourt

RunningPig 發表於 17-10-20 09:18
都幾 surprised. SPCC 不是頭三?

見SPCC討論區寫今年有36人入醫科

rubycourt

MC1128 發表於 17-10-19 21:20
語文優勢在女生, 理科優勢在男生

港大醫學院今年JUPAS入學計

想知每間有幾多人入醫科？thx

hkpapa852

Manwingtak 發表於 17-10-19 18:30
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Dear hkpapa852,

The questions you raised out about how to rate a school had been discussed a long time....

There are two major arguments:

1. Intake of S1 is varying every year which will affect the school performance in public exam

2. Some schools have a portion of students enroll in non-NSS, if we don't count their performance, it seems not fair

Regarding argument 1, it may true for those schools without feeder school.
Base on the information I collected, those top tier schools, their avg score of Pre-S1 is quite stable, this means their intake does not varying so much

Avg Pre-S1 performance of some top Tier school in HK

	2012-2013			2013-2014			2014-2015			2015-2016
HK Average	49.63	49.43	59.98	49.63	49.43	59.98	52.99	49.67	57.64	52.99	49.67	57.64
中學名稱	Chi	Eng	Math	Chi	Eng	Math	Chi	Eng	Math	Chi	Eng	Math
SMCC	62.69	80.21	80.96	70.49	79.11	80.85	70.43	83.5	81.17	68.32	80.98	85.54
SJC	61.1	80.4	82.7	64.28	77.45	83.84	~63	~81	~79	61.27	75.54	81.75
SPCS	70.2	84.1	78.6	70.1	84	79.1	67.9	83	80.5	68.7	83.4	73.5
MCS	69.68	86.93	83.32	70.89	86.97	83.76	72.26	88.02	81.99	68.08	82.72	81.99
呂明才	~68	~80	~84	~70	~81	~85	~68	~79	~79	~65	~80	~81
KC	~62	~70	~80	~66	~75	~83	~67	~75	~85	~70	~72	~86
QC	~65	~79	~86	~70	~82	~86	~66	~80	~85	~68	~80.5	~86
鄧顯	67.97	67.48	85.47	65.38	75.6	83.68	68.7	72.54	88.01	66.62	69.79	85.49
曾肇添	66.7	78.1	86.7	70.9	75	81.1	70.4	79	86.2	70.7	76.9	82.9

Regarding argument 2, the portion of student studying in non-NSS cirrcumlum, at most just rate around 30% of those top Tier school, it does not bring major impact to those top Tier school.

In addition, base on the "predication" of public, those non-NSS cirrcumlum are enrolled by the best students. Base on this logic, if the DSE performance of those school can remain in top Tier, it may be more crazy of those student go back to take DSE (personally, I don't think so).

At of this moment, only SPCC, SPCS and DBS have some portion of graduates not enroll to NSS (DGS and SPC only start their GCE course in last year, no graduate yet).

Except DBS, I think no one will challenge the DSE performance of SPCC and SPCS.

Let me spend some time to discuss about DBS to explain why the non-NSS student will not affect the rating so much.

The followings are the DSE and IBDP statistic of DBS in 2015-2016:

DSE student	133		IBDP student	52
5+/student	2.01		30+ %	100.00%
4+/student	3.98		40+ %	67.31%
Avg 5+ %	31.30%
Avg 4+ %	62.10%

Assumption:
1. IBDP obtained 30 marks or above = all DSE subjects obtained level 4 or above
2. IBDP obtained 40 marks or above = all DSE subjects obtained level 5 or above

Base on the above info, let do some score adjustment as below:

1. The total DSE subject taken by DBS student original: (2.01 x 133) / 31.3% = 853
2. Avg no. of subjects DBS student take for DSE: 853 / 133 = ~6.4
3. Assume all IBDP student take the same amount of DSE subjects: 52 x 6.4 = ~333
4. IBDP students witjh 30+ convert into DSE Avg 4+: number of 4 obtained = 333 x 100% = 333
5. IBDP students witjh 40+ convert into DSE Avg 5+: number of 5 obtained = 333 x 67.31% = 224

The adjusted DSE performance of DBS:

5+/student: ((2.01 x 133) + 224) / (133 + 52) = ~2.66
Avg 5+: ((2.01 x 133) + 224) / (853 + 333) = ~41.4%
4+/student: ((3.98 x 133) + 333) / (133 + 52) = ~4.66
Avg 4+: ((3.98 x 133) + 333) / (853 + 333) = ~72.7%

Does the original DSE performance under-rated DBS? I don't think so..... at least, even after adjustment, the performance of DBS still not as good as QC, SPCS, or even TH.

The fact is, students studying in 2 different cirrcumlums, there is no way to direct compare their performance. A student performs good in DSE does not mean this student can also obtain good performance in IBDP/GCE, and vice versa.

retriever

hkpapa852 發表於 17-10-20 09:55
The questions you raised out about how to rate a school had been discussed a long time....

There a ...

覺得呢兩個 “呀九文” 無多大意義。

先講第二個。 要比較當然係用一標準下。 即如運動，奧運就奧運， 世錦賽就世錦賽。如果硬要間間比較，就攞最小公因數， 那DSE 就跟 DSE 比囉。或公平D 分別公開考試比。

第一個呀九文更無謂，比較係睇終點線，點可能考慮埋 INTAKE D 物人？ 用運動做類比，即有人話中國人天生身材無人咁高大云云，呢D 論調係相當呀Q。

當然講增值率又另一樣野。

retriever

RunningPig 發表於 17-10-20 09:18
都幾 surprised. SPCC 不是頭三?

版友只講HKU JUPAS。去CU 環球醫學或IB 入不計。

不過佢哋唔入三甲都係有D 疑點。

NeoMom

hkpapa852 發表於 17-10-20 09:55
The questions you raised out about how to rate a school had been discussed a long time....

There a ...

How do you come up with the assumptions of IB 40= all 5 in DSE?

take SPCC as example, 2007 72.9% got 40+, while in DSE they got 5.75 (5+)/student, assume they take the same number of subjects as DGS, then the 5+% would be 57%/3.85 X 5.75 = 85%, which is very much higher then IB, so either their IB student is academically weaker than DSE or the assumption is not correct

retriever

NeoMom 發表於 17-10-20 10:26
How do you come up with the assumptions of IB 40= all 5 in DSE?

take SPCC as example, 2007 72.9% go ...

我都認為，IB 40＋ 等同 DSE 5＋係不合理。 唔用某校百分比做BENCHMARK。

就算IB 報本地受限制，但IB 40分 跟 DSE 25(30分 6 科)，本地大學能取錄既科應該都好唔同。