(叩門)港島民生vs聖馬可

王家爸爸

MMVV 發表於 17-8-5 23:10
聖馬可始终傳統歴史長好多！以前校舍在筲箕灣尾尾。

兩校差別唔大，但係其實英文同通識成績都有啲啲差距。
http://www.imsc.edu.hk/pages/hkdse.html

http://www.stmarks.edu.hk/sms2/index.php/academic/academic-results/10-academic-results/594-hkdse-2017

王家爸爸

ANChan59 發表於 17-8-6 12:27
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Just for discussion.

Not really.  Because every St. Mark's student takes more elective subjects, they have higher chance to get higher best 5 scores.

ANChan59

王家爸爸 發表於 17-8-6 22:49
Not really.  Because every St. Mark's student takes more elective subjects, they have higher chance  ...

From the table, the % of 4+ is higher than St Mark, more electives not necessary higher chance.
Am I correct?

bluestar3000

王家爸爸 發表於 17-8-5 19:10
呢個真係正常現象，所以分析時需要考慮呢個因素。有啲學校只准學生揀兩科，有啲學校准許學生揀三科加M1/M2 ...

我識得有位中學老師，佢真係要成績差的學生drop選修科（校長落order），所以我揀中學唔太睇選修科盤數係點，只睇主科成績，因為主科drop唔到嘛！所以我覺得聖馬可有實力多D。如有冒犯大家，多多見諒。

hkpapa852

ANChan59 發表於 17-8-6 12:27
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Just for discussion.

Base on the statistic those MS provided, I believe most of the MS students only attended DSE with 2 electives.
Base on the minimum requirements to obtained an UGC-degree in recent years:  minimum 20 marks for 5 subjects, performance of 3 core subjects of MS students need to take into consideration. Therefore, MS may not have a better % when compare with St Marks because their core subjects are relatively weak.

On the other hand, 4+ performance is only a partial view to justice a the academic performance of a school. It is true that MS students have a better 4+ % when compare with St Marks, but I doubt the % of 5+ will not be the same picture.

I do appreciate the work MS done for the students, it is because the intake of student level (the banding) are relatively weaker when compare with St Marks, but MS can lift up the student to perform good in most of the electives.

If my kid is a B1C student, I will happy to let him goto MS if he/she desire.

王家爸爸

bluestar3000 發表於 17-8-7 02:54
我識得有位中學老師，佢真係要成績差的學生drop選修科（校長落order），所以我揀中學唔太睇選修科盤數係點 ...

我睇法相似，其實我反而擔心港島民生既主科合格率，其中通識科明顯同B1水平有啲啲距離。B2B既2+率=89%，4+率=36%；
MS既2+率=98.6%，4+率=49.6%。

% of 4+	HK average	SMS	MS
English Language	26	87	59
Chinese Language	27	49	44.6
Mathematics	40	75	80.6
Liberal Studies	36	70	49.6

% of 2+	HK average	SMS	MS
English Language	77	100	100
Chinese Language	85	100	98.6
Mathematics	81	100	100
Liberal Studies	89	100	98.6

elbar

王家爸爸 發表於 17-8-7 09:25
我睇法相似，其實我反而擔心港島民生既主科合格率，其中通識科明顯同B1水平有啲啲距離。B2B既2+率=89%，4+ ...

始終此校在2010年9月才升格英中，上年和今年才開始有升格後DSE生，尚算可以

王家爸爸

ANChan59 發表於 17-8-7 01:17
From the table, the % of 4+ is higher than St Mark, more electives not necessary higher chance.
Am I ...

Not sure.  But, it is no doubt that MS has a 3.7% (Biology) to 34% (M2) higher in "% of 4+" in elective subjective.  However, the percentages are misleading.  If the number of SMS students taking the same subjects were 3.7% to 34% more than that in MS, then number of students having "number of 4+" in SMS might be higher in the same subject.

王家爸爸

elbar 發表於 17-8-7 09:35
始終此校在2010年9月才升格英中，上年和今年才開始有升格後DSE生，尚算可以
...

同意，我亦都十分肯定老師同學生既努力！

Minionboy

王家爸爸 發表於 17-8-6 22:49
Not really.  Because every St. Mark's student takes more elective subjects, they have higher chance  ...

這點我同意。

雖然表面睇港島民生在 elective subjects 比 St Mark 好, 但 St Mark 在 4主科實在優勝得多 (4 主科是很難 Window Dressing 的), 特別係 English 4+ 可以高成 2x%。 可以想像到入大學計算, 會有很大優勢。

就算 All Subjects 一併考慮, 港島民生的每人平均 4+ 是 4.09 (按校方公佈資料自行計算), 而 St Mark 是4.77。 以 Best 5 Subjects 計, 仍以 St Mark 為佳呢!

我認為這兩間學校是同一 Level。

ANChan59

王家爸爸 發表於 17-8-7 09:43
Not sure.  But, it is no doubt that MS has a 3.7% (Biology) to 34% (M2) higher in "% of 4+" in elect ...

Agree.

Not enough info to draw the conclusion.

bobbob

hkpapa852 發表於 17-8-7 08:44
Base on the statistic those MS provided, I believe most of the MS students only attended DSE with 2 ...

民生收生質素低過聖馬可真係未必，響東區唔少家長buy民生多過聖馬可，尤其係幾年前負面新聞多，好多band 1生唔會揀聖馬可，加上呢2年正正係接龍嘅畢業年，成績唔多唔少都有啲影響，考成咁算唔差啦。

hkpapa852

bobbob 發表於 17-8-7 12:31
民生收生質素低過聖馬可真係未必，響東區唔少家長buy民生多過聖馬可，尤其係幾年前負面新聞多，好多band 1 ...

我相信, 視港島民生為B1生保險線既家長, 遠較選港島民生而棄聖馬可既多.
而且就算佢地棄聖馬可, 相信都係寧選中婦, 筲官, 之後才會再考慮港島民生.

快樂小b

hkpapa852 發表於 17-8-7 13:40
我相信, 視港島民生為B1生保險線既家長, 遠較選港島民生而棄聖馬可既多.
而且就算佢地棄聖馬可, 相信都係寧 ...

聖馬民生不作爭論，作為東區家長，今年筲官不是大熱，大部分都放筲官在乙3，民生聖馬之後，DSE 成績，筲官在此二校之下，我校有二三位band2生第一志願入筲官，十分滿意，數據中沒有band2生可入民生聖馬，二間學校都很多學生選擇，全部入到都是band1B或C，我見都很平均，大家各自都有B/C的人，因為抽獎的因素！希望東區家長多注意，選校是與時並進,知己知彼，才幫到小孩子！

王家爸爸

bobbob 發表於 17-8-7 12:31
民生收生質素低過聖馬可真係未必，響東區唔少家長buy民生多過聖馬可，尤其係幾年前負面新聞多，好多band 1 ...

你又講得啱，民生收生質素未必低過聖馬可。聖馬可受小學影響咗，民生受九龍民生影響，東區唔少家長真係buy民生多過聖馬可，尤其係啲外區搬來既。前幾年，我都同唔少朋友分析過呢個問題，其中一個新移民爸爸同我傾開，先知道佢以為港島民生就係成績好好嗰間民生。

ANChan59

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How about other electives ?

hkpapa852

ANChan59 發表於 17-8-7 15:07
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How about other electives ?

if we have the info about 5+ of both schools, we can rank the schools in better way

mama_papa

bobbob 發表於 17-8-7 12:31
民生收生質素低過聖馬可真係未必，響東區唔少家長buy民生多過聖馬可，尤其係幾年前負面新聞多，好多band 1 ...

唔單止好多家長認為民生好過聖馬可，連我囝小學都推薦比B1生做自行二選擇，真係唔明！

whywhywhywhy

聖馬可，民生都係好學校，作為家長，我除左睇dse成績，都會睇啱唔啱小朋友，民生講座講明以考大學為目的，所以連水運會都無左，而且民生應該比聖馬可嚴，所以比較頑皮的小朋友未必啱，聖馬可自由度好似大啲，同埋都多課外活動，講到尾dse成績好，只代表大部份學生，並唔代表全部，我相信肯讀，邊間學校都可以讀得好

王家爸爸

hkpapa852 發表於 17-8-7 17:47
if we have the info about 5+ of both schools, we can rank the schools in better way

Yes, without the 5+ data, it is difficult to compare.
In this situation, I believe the most workable way to compare them would be to take the actual 4+ and 2+ numbers, plug them into Hong Kong Average Curve, and project their 5, 5* and 5**.
It is not the best way, but is the best way under the current circumstances.