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不去考HKIS有損失嗎?

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發表於 15-2-15 17:45 |顯示全部帖子
本帖最後由 jolalee 於 15-4-1 19:23 編輯

[Latest update. We went for the interview and got a spot at HKIS, but only had 36hrs to decide if we should accept or decline the offer. In the end we decided to keep our child in CDNIS.]

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Hi fellow parents, some of you may know that my boy is a Nov born "small b" currently in CDNIS Reception (=K2). I applied to all our target schools in one go last year, but some he was not old enough to sit for the interview back then. Last month we received an interview invitation for Reception entry from HKIS. If he gets in, he will be a "big b" (repeating Reception, =K2) which is quite optimum for his long-term development.

Since we have applied for it already, I thought we may as well go ahead with it before deciding if we want to move him over or not. Worse come to worst, it'd be a nice school visit. However, my husband is not so keen on HKIS and asked me to decline the interview offer now. In a way this is pushing my decision forward, before the kid is even accepted in HKIS  

Here's my take on the pros and cons of HKIS for my boy:

Advantage-
* Being one of the older boy without redshirting him (i've the choice to put him back a year in CDNIS, but he'd be super old compared to others in his class)
* Better American University entry compared with his existing school
* A more technical strong American curriculum primary education compared with his existing PYP program
* A more expat community compared with his existing school (so Caucasian and Oriental kids play together instead of having their own cliques)

Disadvantage-
* Reputation to be a party school (the reason my husband wants to pull out)
* Rumored that most parents are super rich and lives in houses. Heard that the truth is not as bad.
* CDNIS has a better Chinese program, esp in earlier years. (HKIS secondary Chinese is not too bad, however)
* If we are not going to American University, then is there a point in going? (I'm Canadian and my husband Australian, so it's MUCH cheaper for my boy to go back to either country for his Tertiary education, but of course if he gets into a top American school we'd definitely dish out for it.)

Have i missed anything? Should i convince my husband to go ahead with the interview before deciding? (He will be on a business trip on interview day too, so that would undermine our boy's chance of getting in with an absent parent). Let's say that my kid gets in, between HKIS & CDNIS, which one should we pick?





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發表於 15-2-15 17:51 |顯示全部帖子
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 15-2-15 22:06 編輯

I tend to look at things in simple ways, you paid the application fee already, so might as well not waste it. Why worry about all the pros and cons now, they only become relevant after HKIS makes you an offer, and you could always decline, so you have nothing to lose :)

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發表於 15-2-15 17:55 |顯示全部帖子
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Exactly, i was thinking that way as well. Since we've paid for it already, hee hee.
The thing is, my husband doesn't want him to even try it, and without his participation it's sorta not fair for my boy. An absent parent for an HKIS interview is a big dent on the boy's chance...


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發表於 15-2-15 18:06 |顯示全部帖子

回覆:不去考HKIS有損失嗎?

*Types F if this is on HK Schools on FB*.  I'd just go and do it first and let them choose first.  During my time yes I've seen the fair share of "Let them eat cake" styled brattiness but I do have a few friends/acquaintances from HKIS who are very down to earth despite the privileged upbringing.  So I think the family's influence and watching his peer group should do the trick.  How would you define top US?  Say above top 20 or 40 within the typical list for folks from HK?  Let's discuss more as this is a great post to follow, would be interested to know your thoughts on CDNIS's recent push in more top US/UK admissions.  FYI I'm a Canadian who went to Midwest US school so this Canadian vs American debate is close to me.  For the rest of the points it would be the exact same list I have if I'm in the same situation.



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發表於 15-2-15 21:08 |顯示全部帖子

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原帖由 jolalee 於 15-02-15 發表
本帖最後由 jolalee 於 15-2-15 17:52 編輯

Hi fellow parents, some of you may know that my boy is a ...
You can persuade your husband to let your son have a try first. But it'll be a difficult decision if he's accepted, especially if he's also doing fine being a small boy at CDNIS now.

Academically I guess HKIS is a bit stronger. If you target Ivy League (are you or your husband alumni?), HKIS. If UT or Melbourne U (top universities in Canada and Australia) are also fine, then stick with CDNIS.

Moral education and discipline training at HKIS, with American culture, could be another concern.



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jolalee  my hubby bought your pts :)  發表於 15-2-15 21:48
jolalee  Thx for suggesting, think i hu   發表於 15-2-15 21:47

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發表於 15-2-15 22:57 |顯示全部帖子
本帖最後由 jolalee 於 15-2-16 06:59 編輯
Woojba 發表於 15-2-15 18:06
*Types F if this is on HK Schools on FB*.  I'd just go and do it first and let them choose first.  D ...

That's the thing, Woojba, I know nothing about American Universities. I only realize Ivy League consists of eight schools (and what they are) after i googled it just now   I am not even sure what kind of American Universities HKIS students graduate into without any connections. Both my husband and I graduated with professional degrees in our respective country, so we have no Alumni status in USA.

That said, both my husband and I are quite happy with where we're at in HK, and my hubby is doing very well in his career. My sister-in-law, who graduated with her Astrophysics doctorate in Australia, is currently a research lecturer in an US University which (I just found out) is an Ivy League school. So, instead of studying in one, one of our family member actually teaches in one.

In regards to CDNIS's recent push in more top US/UK admissions, yes, the school just hired Dr. Gregg Maloberti from the States as our Head of School, who spent a bulk of his career in American private schools with deep ties to top universities. What benefits he brings to CDNIS is yet to be seen. Do note though that like all young schools, CDNIS is going through the teething pain of renewing the existing cumbersome Board of Governance system, and along with it quite a bit of politics. I just hope the school will survive it to become a better institution, but definitely it will not be exactly the same as it was.

It does seem like we should stick with CDNIS... although at the moment i am convincing my husband to let us try for the school, without his presence i am not sure if we can make a good impression with the parents' interview (he's the guy with the impressive accent), and i don't like to do anything half-heartedly.




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發表於 15-2-16 00:25 |顯示全部帖子
As far as I know, it is difficult to get admission  into HKIS if you are not from an American education system. The school was set up to cater the needs of Americans. If there are still vacancies after admitting the Americans, then it will admit other students. My personal view is that you should give it a try first. If a place is offered, then you can balance the pros and cons.



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發表於 15-2-16 07:04 |顯示全部帖子
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I guess we can give it a go as a "school visit", but seriously without any American ties as well as the lack of presence from the father for the interview, i do not think our boy can get in...


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發表於 15-2-16 08:40 |顯示全部帖子

回覆:不去考HKIS有損失嗎?

Thanks for the update on CDNIS personnel and current issues.  Also, is the cliques phenomenon something you find "sticking out" at the school and comparatively you see this is not and issue at HKIS or other schools?  Going to an interview and experiencing the school can have its benefits. Who knows, may be you'll have another similar situation 7-8 years down the road on the same school.  It's like a business prospect, you meet the guy and there is no business to be done but you never know later.  May be persuade your husband with another angle ;).  Universities-wise it also depends on what career they'll be having so might be too far down the line to judge.  I tend to think if they are good enough then they can get in from any schools within roughly the same "tier"



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發表於 15-2-16 08:51 |顯示全部帖子

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原帖由 Woojba 於 15-02-16 發表
Thanks for the update on CDNIS personnel and current issues.  Also, is the cliques phenomenon someth ...
Agree. If your son does well later you can always send him to the US for high school and target Ivy League. It may be too early to think about university at this stage. Both are good schools.



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jolalee  Thx, you're right.  發表於 15-2-16 16:53

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發表於 15-2-16 08:51 |顯示全部帖子
Just go, u paid the fee and don't waste the oppuntinity . Treat it as a school visit. Explain the importance of his attendance on this interview would provide an advantage to the kid.

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發表於 15-2-16 10:06 |顯示全部帖子
There is no risk-free decision in the real world.
My only advice is to have your husband's 200% support before making any important decision.

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發表於 15-2-16 10:50 |顯示全部帖子

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原帖由 jolalee 於 15-02-15 發表
本帖最後由 jolalee 於 15-2-15 17:52 編輯

Hi fellow parents, some of you may know that my boy is a ...
Canadian International is cheaper than HKIS. Unless you want to mix up with the people commonly found in HKIS, there is no reason to change school, especially it means your kid will repeat one school year. Of course, the campus at Tai Tam is beautiful. It will be fun but don't count on going to Ivy League too early!



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發表於 15-2-16 11:01 |顯示全部帖子

回覆:不去考HKIS有損失嗎?

My girl is in CDNIS and IB is difficult.  If you are goung to finish high school in HK and hope to go to USA universities, HKIS has AP and has better chance to get into good USA unis.  I know a lot of people in HKIS are well behaved.  My daughter also aware of NOT well-behaved kids in CDNIS. Chinese in CDNIS is better, and academically HKIS seems to be better.



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jolalee  Thx for your observation!  發表於 15-2-16 16:57

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發表於 15-2-16 12:30 |顯示全部帖子
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Usually the available spots in reception class are more than other spots in any class.So you will have a "reasonable" chance of being admitted even if your kid is not of American nationality. Anyway, I agree with other writers that it is a family decision as to the child's education. You need the 100% consensus before you make any move. Good luck.

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發表於 15-2-16 12:48 |顯示全部帖子
I dont know about these schools at all.  Or may be just the impression HKIS is more 'reputable' than CNDIS.  However, from reading what you hv said so far, I can see that you 'do' want to try.  Say you could not persuade your husband and fearing that you have less chance to get in with one parent's absence, and you decide not to go.  Still I am sure you will regret it at later days.  You seem to be a perfectionist.  So I would say even without your husband's support, go for it and if you can get in, then weigh your pros n cons then.
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發表於 15-2-16 13:00 |顯示全部帖子

回覆:不去考HKIS有損失嗎?

Frankly, after reading your posts, I found you are sometimes quite 傭人自擾(no offend), are you going to reconsider your choice of school every single year? I just feel your pressure and lack of peace of mind every now and then. Sorry I am probably not helpful but I just want to share your worries and concerns as a friend.



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jolalee  thx!  發表於 15-2-16 17:12

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發表於 15-2-16 13:15 |顯示全部帖子
您先生其實好明白您的性格; 今天您為孩子報考HKIS、明天您又會去報GSIS或CIS、再待孩子大一點,您又會想SPCC的成績全港最TOP,不如又去試。這樣會永無寧日啊。其實CDNIS不是已具備好適合您們家庭的條件嗎? 最重要是仔仔(學業和社交上)和先生(財務和社交上)都適應啊。

有時聽聽男士聲音未嘗不是好事,尤其在教養男生的問題上。

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jolalee  說HKIS學生吸毒,才叫我decline.   發表於 15-2-16 17:18
jolalee  本來他同意照去面試的,後聽朋友   發表於 15-2-16 17:17
jolalee  請看清楚原post, HKIS不是今年報   發表於 15-2-16 17:03

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發表於 15-2-16 15:07 |顯示全部帖子
Just a side question.  Does it mean a child with an American passport have a better chance?  I never applied for my kids, but just want to take a note for future reference.  Some people told me that Americans don't have priority either because there are SO many Americans in HK now.

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jolalee  Not US passports.  發表於 15-2-16 17:15
jolalee  Just Ivy League parents. Not p   發表於 15-2-16 17:14

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發表於 15-2-16 15:07 |顯示全部帖子
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If I were you, I would definitely attend the interview.  Leave the decision until your boy is accepted.
My boy is also Canadian. When we chose universities, UK/US universities are always our goal. Canadian and HK universities have lower priorities.

HKIS university placement is really very strong as compared with CDNIS today, not sure 5 to 10 years down the road.  You may research on the university counsellor to student ratio in HKIS.  It's impressive.