Singapore international school (SIS) vs ISF Academy

FattyDaddy

annie40 發表於 15-2-23 09:54
接受不了用星加坡人角度學習中國文化 ...

But isn't this true for all international schools? Even those who are reputed to teach Chinese well (and SIS is probably one of the best in this respect), they teach the Chinese language but not much Chinese culture, at least not to the extent of identifying with it.

If one wants to learn how to be Chinese rather than just how to speak Chinese, then only local schools could meet that order, may be even limited to a particular category of local schools.

annie40

Local school 的中文, 大部分麻麻地, 有一定识字量, 文化根基就略次. 可以流利书写而已.

唔信? 睇到我呢个普通中学生的文笔, 就知道何谓'眼冤'了.

时间花得多而读得如此, 应该打手板!!!!

FattyDaddy

annie40 發表於 15-2-23 18:11
Local school 的中文, 大部分麻麻地, 有一定识字量, 文化根基就略次. 可以流利书写而已. ...

I wasn't talking about the level of Chinese language, but identifying with the Chinese culture and "being Chinese". No international school will teach that, because they have to cater to children who are genuinely international.

shadeslayer

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 15-02-23 發表
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Which local schools teach students to "be" Chinese?  Patriotic schools?  

By what means?  

If local schools have been very successful, there would not be so much discussions right now on HK schools and education system being responsible for nurturing HK kids without a sense of patriotism towards China.

NoahArk

These discussions get me think: global - Chinese = more international; global + Chinese = less international? If ones have to delete Chinese to make room for other cultures, 好打有限.

FattyDaddy

shadeslayer 發表於 15-2-23 20:13
Which local schools teach students to "be" Chinese?  Patriotic schools?   

You said it. Soon it will not be just the traditional patriotic schools, but any local school adopting patriotic education. Even those which don't, there are still subtle differences between them and international schools, e.g.:-

International School: The Chinese eat mooncakes at Mid-Autumn Festival and their ancestors have been doing it for centuries.

Local School: We Chinese eat mooncakes at Mid-Autumn Festival and our ancestors have been doing it for centuries.

In essence, International schools should adopt a more ethnic neutral stance while local schools do not need to have such considerations.

Implementing patriotic education is one thing, whether that is successful is another discussion altogether.

annie40

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死嘞，講講下離題添。自己的閱讀能力差，只能盡量說出自己的想法，答不上題，還望不嫌其煩，再加指正。
國際學校教孩子做international students, 同時尊重孩子的roots,學校沒有大力推動中國文化，亦沒有淡化孩子原屬國家的根源。其中孩子對自己的華人身份有多大認同，家庭教育比學校力量更宏大。

認識的竹昇仔，竹昇女，當中十分淳樸的那類，雖然唔識中文，卻對自己民族有特殊感情和偏愛，這些感情肯定不是從學校學回來的，或是政府教回來的，而是簡單的家庭薰陶，文風氣貌，保育得當而傳留的。自然現象是竹昇對竹昇的婚姻比例極高，如果不是大家十分對口，很有feel，那麼international 異族婚姻比重率應該更高才對啊！

不肯定其他孩子的感覺，自己的女女的英文肯定比中文好，往外跑半年，偶爾聽到廣東話，便十分窩心，點解甘開心？解釋不了吧！

無論念國際學校，本地學校，海外學習和生活，或是跑江湖，喜歡自己的根源，喜歡自己民族（也可以喜歡很多其他民族），相對應該更喜歡自己，生命充滿愛和熱情，應該只有更大益處。

annie40

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可唔可以揀:
好鬼global mind , 又加上好鬼Chinese 身份，等於= 好鬼international咁吃得開呢？

行走江湖，砌得又打得都好噃？

annie40

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Fattydaddy,
真系唔知IS點樣教食月餅，亦唔記得LS老師點同學生講喎！

剩系記得在女兒歳多開始已經講緊「嫦娥奔月」，「后𦐒射日」，「吳剛伐木」，順便介紹下旁邊隻純純可愛白兔仔。又講下蒙古人侵佔中國，奴役漢人，於是漢人合力反抗，用月餅掩飾，內蔵紙條，約定日期反元復漢，（其實無根據，勝在夠戲劇化，自己唔多記得的，就加盬加醋搭夠），跟住教女寫幾個字，塞張紙入月餅內，又攞幾支棍系屋企走呢走去扮打仗，真系幾好玩㗎，新手媽咪可以試試。

希望將來女女識得同佢果女玩，多好啊！

FattyDaddy

annie40 發表於 15-2-23 21:35
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死嘞，講講下離題添。自己的閱讀能力差，只能盡量說出自己的想法，答不上題，還望 ...

Yep, straying off topic now. I'll try to steer it back towards SIS.

When I say international schools should adopt an ethnic neutral stance, I mean the school should not emphasize on any one ethnicity, especially for a school like SIS. If they say "We Chinese blah blah blah", how are the Malay and Indian and Tamil Singaporeans going to feel? Also, not emphasizing is not asking any student to deny their roots, I have not heard of any international school doing that.

As for ethnic Chinese 竹昇 raised in foreign countries marrying each other, the truth is it depends on gender and skin colour, while culture tend to be the lesser factor. Having lived in UK for over a decade, what I observed were as follows, and I believe the situation is similar in all western countries where Caucasians are predominant:-

Chinese Men - Chinese Women (common)
Caucasian Men - Chinese Women (just as common)
Chinese Men - Caucasian Women (not so common)
Chinese Men or Women - Brown skinned Men or Women (rare)
Chinese Men or Women - Black skinned Men or Women (very rare)

(By "Chinese" I mean the ethnic Chinese 竹昇 raised there)

The reasons behind the above phenomenon are complex and definitely way off topic. Reality is, if you have a daughter living and studying in a western country, you better be mentally prepared for the possibility of having Eurasian grandchildren, but you could be reasonably relaxed if you are worried about having brown or black descendants :)

FattyDaddy

annie40 發表於 15-2-23 22:11
真系唔知IS點樣教食月餅，亦唔記得LS老師點同學生講喎！

That was just an example to illustrate the subtle difference between saying "The Chinese ..." and "We Chinese ...", not meant to be taken literally :)

NoahArk

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可唔可以揀:

Love your comment.

annie40

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大家是愈講投契了。
其實好想知道Amercian Intl, HKIS 有無USA blah, blah blah, kellette有無UK blah blah,  Japan intl 有無Japan blah blah blah, 會唔會已經周時Blah blah blah 左，學生習慣了無感覺，所以唔學得好嘈。Singapore intl 有星加坡blah blah blah 系正常，我自己驚住自己正義上身聽唔慣，所以送阿女去其他較多元文化的學校，果度都有各類blah blah blah, 唯有笑下就算吧！人無十全十美，學校都系掛？

SIS系就系大聲左D，eeeeee....ONG.....卻見香港學生仿佛有音響過濾系統，未見受大星洲文化影響喎！因此戴住有色眼鏡的我，也要良心發現，講番句公道話。（前幾年不是這般的想法，眼見大家孩子已經長大，個個有紋路，無得彈了）。

女兒的馬拉muslim 老友交了Russian Christian男友，女兒仍working hard中，黑白黃紅青都無 問題，氹得我果女開心就得嘞。

FattyDaddy

annie40 發表於 15-2-23 23:49
其實好想知道Amercian Intl, HKIS 有無USA blah, blah blah, kellette有無UK blah blah,  Japan intl 有無Japan blah blah blah

For the country specific international schools, one could expect a bit of national education of that country thrown in, but for non-country specific ones like ESF or commercial ones like Harrow International, the emphasis is definitely on internationalism rather than nationalism of any one ethnicity or country.