關於英基的質疑（來自英基家長）

samsam123321

教學好同差是怎樣來定論？大部分香港學校是以成績來定論。可借的是，英基小學是無測驗。有人問，點解無測驗，我無探究，但我相信佢地有佢地理念，可能有其他有識之士可以分享。我倒是很想知道，點解佢地教學咁差，但又可以有遠高於平均的公開試成績。會否有人在高中前被踢出校，再加入新血？以我自己觀察，中學會有本地名校生加入，但不多。而佢地成績通常都是中上。但不是一定比英基小學升上來的好。
我相信，成績好壞，是要有付出，包括學生和家長。本地學生年年月月咁樣温習，做功課，成績通常都會好過英基普遍學生。但我會反問，是不是所有英基學生成績都差？點解佢地係咁差的教學質素（如你相信是），都會有好成績，而且不是一個兩個，係總體公開試成績都好。我自己會想，這應該是結合了家庭，學校，老師，學生自己的功勞。當我覺得我小朋友學業上有問題，我會先分析點解會咁，是自己太放任不管，還是老師有問題，又或是學校的style 跟本同自己的expectation 不同。

elmostoney

我唔明點解大家硬係覺得呢度有其他意見的家長係講緊考試呀, 分數呢d, 我ar哂頭. 因為我個女間學校都冇考試的, 佢地學校係由一個esf 資深任教20+年老師set up, 好多模式跟esf都類似, 但係佢當時針對係esf見到的問題, 嘗試係新校盡量避免.  我當時唔明點解佢成日同我咁講, 佢地所有的錢, 盡量係分毫都用係學生到,而家睇返轉頭, 我個仔都係esf, 我先明, 因為佢個人經歷, 所以有另一番體會.

我以math做例子, 係因為呢個係好黑白, 唔同教英文.  我問細仔, 老師教math情況, 佢話通常最多教兩次, 如果做落唔識就叫佢地問其他同學, 再唔識先問老師.  但我個女個班, 佢話老師教一次, 做, 有人唔明, 唔明就再教唔明個班人, 再做, 再唔明, (呢班人應會一路縮少), 就再抽唔明班人教.  雖然唔保證可一路教落去, 但老師係會重複咁教, 起碼大部份人會明, 真係再唔明, 先睇情況點處理, 當然佢地一樣有分level (15人分3 level).  有時都要alert家長幫手係屋企睇下.  

至於不停講到我呢類家長要點操練d仔女, well, a disappointment for you guys. 我地只補中文, 亦從不要求子女參加任何比賽攞獎呢d事, 如果要參加, 都要佢地自願.  我個女學樂器,係今年自己要求, 每日只練5分鐘咁大把.  I don't expect the school to do magic, but I do think the school can do a bit more than now.  The difference I see between the 2 schools are, teachers are much more hands on and involved in my daughter's school, while in ESF, the case is quite the opposite.  I agree that parents need to be involved if you want your children to do better, BUT I also think the teachers need to be more involved as well. I have to constantly do follow up with my son, while I don't have to with my daughter.    And I know my children's calibre - my son is more focused and smarter than my daughter.  In fact, my son's Y2 teacher quite liked him because he was never a trouble maker - less for the teacher's already filled hands.  My daughter's Y1 teacher almost thought she had ADD, and for my daughter to attain the present level is quite impressive (BTW, when she transferred to ESF at the beginning of Y3 (only stayed 2.5 months before transferring back to her present school), her reading level was assessed by ESF as 1 term above their required average).

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Jane1983

樓上網友講到Headquarters佔用太多資源，這種校政，家長比意見係好事，希望學校可以改善。又好似以前報導過KGV搵個吾多識普通話的鬼婆教中文，報導後，吾知KGV現狀，但近年部份Esf學校的中文，真係好咗好多。

Esf係歷史悠久的IS，同所有大機構一樣，會好官僚和有吾夠efficient的地方，家長有要求，對學校反映，係好事！

samsam123321

用外籍人士教中文，都幾搞笑，不過，如果唔得，同本地人教英文一樣，都應該唔得。
無睇過個報導，可能那外藉人士係土生土長都唔定。
正如教物理，是否一定所有物理考試都a grade?有奧賽奬是否一定好過普通教練？

elmostoney

而家hk文化真奇怪，唔准批評。其實我都想轉佢走，不過未諗定路向，因Y1讀一間，Y2先轉來，而家先Y3中，我都要考慮轉校太密的影響。但我真心希望可以幫未入又考慮入的家長，令佢地有机会聽下不同意見，而唔係一味追捧。

Jane1983

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吾係，個英婦只係中國學過一年中文，教學經驗淺，但自己友，一樣上位。不過呢d山頭主義，度度都有，吾係Esf或IS都有。
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elmostoney 發表於 14-11-11 14:03
而家hk文化真奇怪，唔准批評

好多低班家長，根本唔熟 ESF，尤其唔熟中學的情形。
人地討論下，佢地一定出嚟反駁。

年年都見一批新 ESF 家長，不停吹噓，有時真係都幾核突。
其他學校家長好似冇咁巴之閉。

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Jane1983 發表於 14-11-11 14:28
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吾係，個英婦只係中國學過一年中文，教學經驗淺，但自己友，一樣上位。不過呢d ...

"不過呢d山頭主義，度度都有，吾係Esf或IS都有"




山頭主義 means using your close friends or family.
I agree 山頭主義 can be everywhere.
However, even with 山頭主義, a teacher still has to have the qualifications.
In this case, if they are hiring the principal's cousin or friend to be a chinese teacher, that person still has to have the qualifications or at least basic knowledge to teach chinese.
I think the problems is not merely 山頭主義 or not.

samsam123321

批del.

nintendo

又講工作紙？

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samsam123321

nintendo 發表於 14-11-11 15:01
又講工作紙？

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oooray

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其實你的意見；對我作為一個將成為中學家長；好有參考性。暑假前去聽完中學講座後；令我知道中小學課程及學習模式分別真係之大；要成功；家長和學生要非常努力才有機會。
不過我個人比較隨緣；遇到好老師係運氣；遇唔到係理所當然。亦深知一己之力無法改變；都是靠自己穩陣點。
係小學遇到一個好老師；真係令舍不同；一年間可以令孩子突飛猛進；遇到個hea的；最多UOI Report 全是 Meet expectation；
想請問: 但上到中學；subject based；有textbook；老師的作用是否一樣大?遇到一個hea老師；是否自己努力d可以搭夠?

samsam123321

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我就最唔想老師講咁多次，如果唔識，就由得佢唔識，因 ...

我都唔想不斷重複咁教，阻礙全班進度。而且日日分組兩、三個，兩、三個咁半補習型式教似特殊學校多d。
一般學校都係一班咁教，自己跟唔上，問多老師一次再唔明就自己返屋企問父母、補習老師.....

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oooray 發表於 14-11-11 16:06
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其實你的意見；對我作為一個將成為中學家長；好有參考性。暑假前去聽完中學講座後； ...

My view is that: with a good teacher, it is going to be the best. However, it can be that we are not lucky and have a teacher that is very hea. My suggestions to students would be to keep contact with friends in other classes and share information. See whether your child's teacher is good. If not good, students would have to work harder.

Yes. Diligence would help. My kids have at different points, had teachers that were not good. My son's ibdp math teacher was not exactly good, so he had to work hard to sort things out. Fortunately, there are lots of books and reference material out there. So it was not too bad.



I think zero homework or worksheet does not really work that well. Look at the public education in the US, UK and Canada. Those are nightmares. I believe that a good balance of homework or worksheet (particularly for math) would help students. If you are concerned, ask your kids to do some kind of homework. No need to do lots, just a little to keep him busy and keep his brain running.

For those that still insist "happy school", I am not here to change anyone's mind.

nintendo

samsam123321 發表於 14-11-11 16:41
如果我講，有小朋友考試前無温書，唔做工作紙，都可以係esf 中學班上面拿到高分，係頭一二名，你會否覺得es ...

I see.

I guess you are probably not talking about high school because IBDP does not work that way.  With this kind of attitude, I do not think any one would get a score higher than 35.

Most students I know that did well with ibdp are diligent. Even those that are smart and gifted, they have to work hard and do questions on past paper.
I think in EK we have a few parents with talented kids who were ESF students and are now in top universities like Oxbridge, or popular programs in local universities. If I remember right, they were all diligent and none of them can claim to have 無温書.
Anyway, thanks for explaining. I think I now understand your expectations. Revision and drilling is probably not necessary.

Radiomama

其實我也好想知道如何為中學做準備。

從前有個想法以為IGCSE 比IBMYP更能為中學生打基礎，但慢慢又好像不是，所以我們又stick to IBMYP; 阿仔説只要他努力，無論在哪間學校都努力，但他好想與現在的同學一起升中，所以我尊重他，也希望他守諾言。
來年Year 7會有3次考試、會派三次report, 會有不同的3 ways conference, 家長們都説功課很多，學生要有好強的自律和時間管理；我已不停向阿仔灌輸這方面的心理準備，但足夠嗎？