請教：int’l school VS private school

christineyhng

近10年有新多private school, eg. CKY, Creative Primary, YMCAprimary sch etc. 它們賣點是課程自主，結合本地和外國課程，活動教育，比傳統學校少測驗功課，英文為主要授課語言，但亦著重中文，師生比率亦較低，學費一般少於10萬。

至於國際學校，小學部可能以PYP或IPC為主，主要是英文，中文除了部份int’l school 如SIS, 大部份IS中文程度較淺。除了ESF外，學費一般10萬以上。

我仔仔現讀K3，在這一年間，去了不同學校INTERVIEW。最近，我想了很久也想不通，IS和private school 為什麼價錢上有這麼大分別?? 照計作為香港家長，我們都希望仔女能在校學好中文，理論上private school同時提供中英文訓練，又結合本地和外國課程，應該收費比IS更貴，但為什麼現實不是呢? 究竟有什麼重點我想少了? 能否賜教? 謝分享！

HKTHK

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The definition is one more driven by EDB regulations than everything else.  Think of it as the type of license that you are under to operate a school.  Both private independent schools and international schools do not receive any funding from other government so theoretically, they need to pay for the same expenses all by themselves.

christineyhng

HKTHK 發表於 14-3-6 14:09
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The definition is one more driven by EDB regulations than everything else ...

Hi HKTHK,

Sorry, can't get your point.  Do u mean the school fee difference is due to private ind school is more driven by EDB regulations?  But private ind school hasn't received any funding support from the govt so I guess the govt should not have any say on private independent school.  

christineyhng

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yinichanwang

我都是國際與私小選擇中，我明年讓小朋友選cais prep(k3)看看他是否喜歡和合適再作決定.

國際和私小相信最大分別是"國際視野"及"多元文化".

christineyhng

原帖由 yinichanwang 於 14-03-06 發表
我都是國際與私小選擇中，我明年讓小朋友選cais prep(k3)看看他是否喜歡和合適再作決定.

國際和私小相信最 ...

My son is one more year bigger than yours. So I don't have time to let him test. We have to make up decision.  私小最大好處是學費較平，中文程度ok. 但IS, 誇張點說，IS school 係由你入門口嗰刻開始，已經覺得好唔同。我唔識點具體去形容我的感覺, 大約只可以說，private school 像local school but with lots of NET, while IS just like you go to a foreign country。但是兩者既price difference 好大！

yinichanwang

學費都是考慮的因素. 不過有些國際學校相對來說學費會低少少。如ESF, cais(但三年後要買25萬債券). 很多私小其實都唔平，如creative. CKY.

或者這樣想，國際學校的學費比送小朋友到外國接受教育已經平很多了。

yinichanwang

妳小朋友現在讀哪間學校，妳已有私小及國際offer在手，正在選擇中?

christineyhng

我小朋友讀本地k3雙語學校。係呀。2邊offer 都有, CAIS 都有申請，不過只係grade 1 waiting. 貴既private sch一定不over 10萬一年（except isf). 平既is ，一定over 10萬（except esf). I just don't understand the price difference.

jolalee

At the end of the day, it also really depends on the school as well. Very often one cannot measure quality with the price when it comes to education (ESF is a good example, although many schools now are increase in school fees + some sort of debenture). The philosophy of the school & its execution, the type of the parents (and therefore students) they have all play a vital role too. What you are looking for in a school too varies from parent to parent.

我看來私校能夠滿足你的要求，但想清楚「俾少了」有沒有什麼drawbacks. Again, i suggest that you compare school to school instead of Private vs. Int'l. There are some good private school and certain Int'l schools that may not suit your needs. 如果不介意，可以說說你有那幾間offers, 看看家長們知不知那幾間學校的長短處，再作比較，應該會再中肯一點。

oooray

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想當年見識過所謂IB本地雙語幼稚園(唔知係唔係你個間)；d IB qualified老師唔係話佢唔好；但係本地受教育的幼師；加上IB培訓；心態上都係一個100%本地老師思維。亦同時見識過IS Kindergarten的N班老師的教學方法；高下立見。

shadeslayer

PIS has a ED imposed rule of having at least 70% students with HK citizenship. IS has no such rule or in the case of Harrow, they have a rule of at least 70% non HK citizen.  However, this is complicated by the fact that many HK locals have foreign passports.

Still, PIS can hire international faculty and run IB, but the students community very often consist of mostly HK kids. Outside of classrooms, they tend to go back to Cantonese. They don't have the discipline to speak English or PTH. The predominate culture is therefore local HK.   The parents mindset are also tend to be HK style (whatever that is). As such the style of the PIS schools are normally somewhere between local school and international schools. That applies to homework, tests and exams, curriculum design, etc.

A good IS operates like a foreign school in HK. These years there are more local HK kids studying in IS but the culture is predominately international.

Is blending international and local education a good idea?

Depends.  Really up to the individual schools and the parents expectation.  Some PIS may be a perfect mix of east and west. While others are just an experiment without track record of success. So there is a risk there.  IS are normally more well established and mature with a clear track record. But of course not all IS are equal.

samsam123321

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joycheung801

How about RCHK? It's PIS under ESF, so what it is?

lovecasey

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Would say RCHK is more an IS as it is operated by ESF but is named as a private school under the ESF term

christineyhng

多謝各位家長意見，讓我再一次認識IS.  我想我和好多EK mum一樣，在LS長大，對IS認識了解不深。IS呢條係不歸路，作為小女人既我，真係諗好多野。以前我細個，只有LS和IS，呢10年左右，出現了很多不同類型的學校，花多眼亂，有時我都十分迷惑。

好彩有EK，比我識到D媽咪，大家都好熱心。大家都說得對，大部份IS和PIS既分別，可能真係出係學校管理層身上，IS比較外國文化，用外國理念去RUN；PIS呢，感覺上有好多(NOT ALL)都係比較本地，本地家長，本地管理層，本地學生，就算請大量NET，學校都跳不出LS影子。如果是RC還好，因為under ESF，如果是其他富有LS色彩的PIS，我是有點擔心他們課程設計，Hybrid課程要做得好，其實好難，要學校有resources to support (money, teachers, mgt experience etc)。不是說本地不好，我自己也是本地學校讀書大的；而是我覺得最近本地教育好似病佐，跟我小時候已完全不一樣。我只問無能力(精神+心力)在現今本地教育下好好配合學校去培育我仔仔。

我只希望我仔仔可以保持對身邊事物好奇心，愛發挖，愛發問的特性，我諗LS OR富有LS色彩的PIS好難提供這樣的學習環境，希望IS是適合我仔仔。感謝大家！

shadeslayer

ckwliu 發表於 14-3-7 14:37
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Would be nice if you could tell us which PIS is a "perfect mix between the  ...

Like I said, it really depends on the parent expectation and the particular school  A perfect school for parent A may be a nightmare for parent B.
ISF is pretty good right?

HKTHK

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I will try to express my view another way.  Don't look at whether a school is an IS or a PIS.  As a generalization, these are not useful ways to look at the various schools in HK.  It is irrelevant since it is more a designation by EDB in terms of how they grant the school a license to operate.  As someone points out, only material difference is PIS requires 70% of students to have HKID so chances are they will have more HK ethnic Chinese.  Many IS and PIS offer similar curriculum and hire from the same pool of teachers.  Look at the specifics of each school instead.