報讀國際學校 先劏一頸血

NKpa

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NKpa

追求國際學校的目的不是為了流利英文、海外留學，因為有錢誰都可以留學，海外生活幾年有心的一定英語流利，至少是有口音地流利。

入國際學校主要是避開主流教育制度，即使因此犧牲了中文水平、傳統文化。當然，傳統文化不是統統都優越，中文不是處處都需要高水平，但錯失了就是錯失了。

主流教育有甚麼弊病非出走不可？有如此重病豈非禍害香港下一代？

lui

原帖由 shadeslayer 於 13-08-23 發表
因香港傳統名校教學方法比外國好好多.

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基本上不會請本地畢業的做分析員，雖然現在轉為請國內人，也不會請香港畢業生

caa

lui 發表於 13-8-24 11:19
基本上不會請本地畢業的做分析員，雖然現在轉為請國內人，也不會請香港畢業生



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請國內人也是留學海外那些吧?

lui

原帖由 caa 於 13-08-24 發表
請國內人也是留學海外那些吧?

都是。最可悲是已經進展到按英文姓氏filtering. Lin  will get a glance on the resume where lam  will not. 真人真事。

fanfanbb

shadeslayer 發表於 13-8-23 22:49
因香港傳統名校教學方法比外國好好多.

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老公過往做過幾年ibank, 係無乜本地生。其中一個原因係要非常流利英文。題外話，ibank 做trader好辛苦家，壓力勁大，工作中collapse 要入院也常發生。

luingan

都有請本地畢業國內生，都是國內生多不論海歸、或來自國內或本地大學

luingan

因人而異啦，精神緊張就一定架啦

21Ckid

I will again try to clarify a few facts.

HK locals are almost "extinct" now in ibank (in particular in banking side), though a tiny fraction strive to survive in the analysts/ fund manager route. It all goes to "genuine" gwei or mainlanders as connection and cultural proximity rules everything. It has nothing to do with english. Also, among mainlanders, 海龜 are being less popular (esp US returnees!! as they talk more than they do), and HK tertiary educated mainlanders are having upper hands.

If you are planning your kids' future, forget about ibank, and by the same logic, forget about corporate law.

shadeslayer

HK locals graduating from HK universities have never been a favourite in ibanks (at least from the few banks I know better) as analysts since I came into contact with this industry many years back.  They hire graduates from US, UK, Australia, Mainland, Korea, Japan, Philippines, but very few HK locals from a HK University.  I don't think it is English as there are bound to be near native HK kids from famous local secondary schools like DXS, La Salle, etc.  I never understood why this is the case.

shadeslayer

原帖由 NKpa 於 13-08-24 發表
追求國際學校的目的不是為了流利英文、海外留學，因為有錢誰都可以留學，海外生活幾年有心的一定英語流利， ...

入國際學校主要是避開主流教育制度，

Xxxxx

都不一定「避開」。當有更好，更適合的學校，就轉。

fanfanbb

Anyway, working in Ibank is not a big deal now, my hubby left few years ago. We can't use ibank as a benchmark, esp banking is on a downward trend recent years.

21Ckid

回復 shadeslayer 的帖子

From what you write, i am pretty sure you know very little about the industry now, or 10 year or 20 years back. You better do some homework before claiming you know.

Back many years ago, they never hire undergraduates. Nonetheless, there are quite a group of HK degree holders who then do post graduate (most in US, but some in HK - especially for the research side where entrance is less selective than the corp fin side), then become trainees (some firstly in London or US then posted to HK later). But then, in the past 10 years, things changed a bit, the ibanks (even the first tier except GS) start recruiting a large bunch of Hk locals, not directly after graduation, but a few years later from accounting firms, consulting firms or 2nd tier Ibanks (those names you sometimes see with 财经演员). They start as analysts (the name of the post, not the research analysts) or associates. This is the heyday of HK locals. English is irrelevant. They need hands, the good executors.

But these days are gone (after 2007). Today, HK locals in ibanks, especially in corp fin, are, as i joke to them dying.....

shadeslayer

I just told what I saw, I am not claiming this or that.  The majority of people on the trading floors are not HK locals (who attended HK Unis) 10 years back and that has not changed today, for the banks that I have seen personally.

Regardless of the change in percentage of HK locals in ibank, the point I was making was that for some reasons, ibanks like to hire a large number of non local graduates.  Do you by any chance know why?

samsam123321

NKpa 發表於 13-8-24 09:15
追求國際學校的目的不是為了流利英文、海外留學，因為有錢誰都可以留學，海外生活幾年有心的一定英語流利， ...

Del.

Mrslot

samsam123321 發表於 13-8-25 10:55
主流教育的問題係，我地成日強調兩文三語，但偏偏我地的主流教育的畢業生，兩文兩語就成日被人批評弱雞。 ...

除此以外，香港教育制度有太多太多問題，我認識／知道教育界既家長如果能力許可都會比小朋友
讀is或去外國讀書，就算唔係都盡量比讀直資因學校有較多教學上同運作上既自由。我以前都係教育
界（係大學教），好多年前亦有代課教過中小學，有好多教育界既朋友，bb未出世已決定比佢讀is，
英文好唔係重點，讀local名校英文都可以好好，而係太清楚local school既問題，exam oriented，
限制左小朋友既天賦潛能發展，無左自發性，無創造力，只為考試而讀書（簡直唔可以稱為學習），
得到既知識未必識運用，童年已活在壓力中。我認為幼童只應eat,sleep,play,shit，而唔係幾個月已經
買咩oxford path disney world english去學習，好多人都覺得我好奇怪

FattyDaddy

21Ckid 發表於 13-8-24 17:39
HK locals are almost "extinct" now in ibank (in particulaar in banking side), though a tiny fraction strive to survive in the analysts/ fund manager route. It all goes to "genuine" gwei or mainlanders as connection and cultural proximity rules everything. It has nothing to do with english. Also, among mainlanders, 海龜 are being less popular ...

So, assuming investment banking is a desirable career, what could a Hongkonger do to get into this field?

Emigrate to US/Europe? But that is no use because that won't make anyone a "genuine" gwei, and English skill is irrelevant.

Emigrate to China? Well, it is possible to then pass off as a mainland Chinese culturally but that is not much use either, because the mainland Chinese who are in the field are there not so much because of their skills but because of their connections, or to put it bluntly because their 爸 is 李剛, and no Hongkonger is going to build up that kind of connections.

Hence, are you saying Hongkongers should simply forget a career in investment banking?

Mrslot

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 13-08-25 發表
So, assuming investment banking is a desirable career, what could a Hongkonger do to get into this f ...

Actually I know some hong kongers who are ibankers, some graduated from most famous foreign universities, a few from local universities  but with family background like parent being professor in local u

FattyDaddy

Mrslot 發表於 13-8-25 13:34
Actually I know some hong kongers who are ibankers, some graduated from most famous foreign universi ...

I'm not in the field of investment banking so I don't have an accurate picture, I was just commenting on what was described by our friend 21Ckid {:1_1:}