今日去參觀Harrow，其實無想像中咁多大陸人既學生！

Choisumwong

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For ESF, I am quite sure that over 70% are HK residents. So called mainland Chinese are mostly oversea Chinese. There is nothing wrong with it because most foreigners will not stay in HK with their family. Even teachers are difficult to recruit from UK. If someone want more mixture of different nationalities, Harrow HK will be a good option.

shadeslayer

原帖由 hkparent 於 13-04-30 發表
I have heard that ESF and GSIS have some 80-90% of HK students and Mainland students in the secondar ...

There is a document published by the EDB which has precise demography information. ESF's range is quite large and GSIS's HK locals was 19.4% at Sep 2011.

I notice generally schools located near HK island closer to central has a lower percentage of local and mainland Chinese. When you reach Kowloon and NT, the % is higher.

Mighty

HKTHK 發表於 13-4-29 15:23
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I think the reference is to the mainlanders who work in HK and not the ones who  ...

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ANChan59

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hkparent

I think most Chinese are in GSIS' English section, not the German section. I have a friend in the secondary section of KGV. There are only one or two foreigners in the class, with the rest being Chinese.

shadeslayer

hkparent 發表於 13-4-30 23:28
I think most Chinese are in GSIS' English section, not the German section. I have a friend in the se ...

Did you really think the German section has as many as 19.4% HK local?  The number I quoted was for English section.
KGV has 13.6% Chinese.

There are 8.7% and 12% Canadians in GSIS and KGV respectively.  A large number of them may be emigrated Chinese.  They may have grown up in Canada and do they really count as Chinese in terms of culture?

Imagine these schools before 97, there is no denying every IS has more local and mainland Chinese.  I am not overly bothered by this in general except for some schools with extra ordinarily high percentage of locals/mainland like YCIS/Kingston.  That is just my personal preference, you may like them for their better Chinese learning environment.

Find out more for yourself

http://www.edb.gov.hk/attachment/en/student-parents/ncs-students/overview/Prospectus-Dec%202012-final.pdf

hkparent

Thank you for the statistics. I don't think the Mainland Chinese in the International schools in HK hold HK or Mainland passports. Most if not all hold US, Canada or Australian passports. They have money or other means to become citizens of these countries. I know quite a number of them.

cindyinhk

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I actually see a lot of parents originated from mainland china devoted a lot of their time to their kids education, working as volunteers at school, etc. Not anything like generalization here...

cindyinhk

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Yes, there are a lot of dark side under the current situation but do you think people are also the victim? How many Hong Konger are actually originated from mainland China, like they swam across the sea to reach Hong Kong? Pointing fingers at people's quality... I think it is totally prejudice.

nintendo

原帖由 shadeslayer 於 13-05-01 發表
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-5-1 06:36 編輯

The figures can only tell u the nationality of students.

Canadians are most probably offsprings of Hong Kongers that emigrated to Canada；not necessarity western kids
They have separated "hk local" (ie those with SAR passport only) from "Chinese" ( those from chiina with no rights of abode, ie what people call 大陸人).

Yew Chung has 27% Chinese, 41% HK local
Shatin Junior has 22% Chinese, 18.2% HK local
Shatin College has 10% Chinese, 17.9% HK local
Harrow has 0% Chinese, 30% HK local

Harrow has  zero Chinese national.

PS  These are facts and I am not trying to reach any conclusions. Whether parents like this combination is up to them. I have no problem with being in the same schools with children of B6 since I see most of the B6 parents are educated and behave decently.

nintendo

duplicated, deleted

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nintendo

hkparent 發表於 13-4-30 23:28
I think most Chinese are in GSIS' English section, not the German section. I have a friend in the secondary section of KGV. There are only one or two foreigners in the class, with the rest being Chinese.

Those statistics are most misleading.
A lot of students are children of parents from Hong Kong, Taiwan and CHina that have a foreign passport. My children and my nephews and nieces are all considered non "HK locals" because they have only foreign passports (born outside Hong Kong and never got HKSAR passport). But they are 100% ethnic Chinese.
In any case, I do not see how these figures can tell use anything other than the passport they hold.
To be honest, asian kids normally preform a lot better academically, while western kids would like to spend more time with sports.

shadeslayer

If HK local have Canadian passport, or mainlanders have American passport, they may have been brought up in Canada or America, with western culture. Or they are just 100% HK/mainland with a foreign passport, we never know.

What is your concern here? Chinese and HK as a race in IS, or Chinese and HK as a culture in IS.

As I said I am not overly bothered by the percentage and am definitely not over-analyzing the situation, a waste of time in my opinion. The % is going up, with fewer expats compared to 97 and more and more HK mainlanders entering IS in HK.

shadeslayer

原帖由 nintendo 於 13-05-01 發表
Those statistics are most misleading.
A lot of students are children of parents from Hong Kong, Tai ...

If you want to find out the mix of ethnicity, yes they are misleading. Then again the table was not put together for that purpose. What is important here?  American Chinese or Canadian Chinese may have western culture.


The numbers are still useful not literally on the percentage, but broadly speaking the student mix.  You can tell schools like island school, west island school or south island schools have a much lower percentage of Chinese community (which ever way you define that) than say Kingston or YCIS.

bobbycheung

依個世界好現實, 如果 Harrow HK 將來成績好好, 好多同學入到一流大學, 話之佢全校都係大陸人, 大家一樣爭崩頭想入.  如果成績好差, 就算全校都係純種外國人, 大家一樣覺得唔係咁吸引.

hkparent

I see that most top students in international schools in Hong Kong are Chinese. I am curious to know whether the westerners do not put enough efforts or they are less intelligent. But ironically, those successful MNCs are founded or managed by westerners, and most Nobel prizes are awarded to westerners. So, are academic results the only thing we are looking at?

nintendo

shadeslayer 發表於 13-5-1 11:58
What is your concern here?

I am sure your question was not addressed to me. Or was it?
Because I am not concerned at all with culture mix. May be some people are, but well, they have their rights to be concerned. And if they are that concerned, then they may just as well avoid schools like Yew Chung or STC as theses schools have more Chinese/HKers.
The reason why I posted my messages were that you put a link here regarding passports. Well, I am sure that tells us something, but other than that, it cannot proof or dis-proof anything -----  ie which schools have more ethnic Chiense. And that is it.

nintendo

bobbycheung 發表於 13-5-1 12:49
依個世界好現實, 如果 Harrow HK 將來成績好好, 好多同學入到一流大學, 話之佢全校都係大陸人, 大家一樣爭 ...

True.
I suggest people check out the university placements of different IS, in particular compare within ESF, since ESF schools have similar curriculum etc. Most students that perform well are asians from STC and KGV (probably other ESF schools on the island too but again mostly asians). Still dislike asians or chinese students? Well, may be schools should thank them. These are the students that help schools to earn recognitions because they usually have very good grades.

nintendo

shadeslayer 發表於 13-5-1 12:19
The numbers are still useful not literally on the percentage, but broadly speaking the student mix.  You can tell schools like island school, west island school or south island schools have a much lower percentage of Chinese community (which ever way you define that) than say Kingston or YCIS.

That was why I said it was misleading.
No, you cannot tell from the figures.
A lot of Chinese have foreign passport and with this in mind, you cannot come to any conclusion.

However, I agree that may western families are living on the island. And from information provided by friends at ESF schools on the island, we can SEE that there are fewer chinese or asian.

I was not trying to correct you or anything. I am sure you know so much. I just wanted to point out to OTHER PEOPLE that the figures were only about the passport people hold.

I am not in any way concerened. I think we must look at a school as a whole and decide whether it is good. I am not going to judge a school by counting how many Chinese there are. Ask any people that know ESF schools well and they will tell you that STC and KGV are good schools for different reasons, actually a lot of the ESF community know that those on the island are a lot less academic (the students). And I have a friend with a child that was once with Yew Chung and he later went to an ivy league school. Of course, some people will say that the person must be an outlier. Oh well, whatever. I think people that are biased would be biased anyway, so statistics would not be of any use anyway.

In any case, looks like I have said something a lot of people would not like to hear. So I would rather not discuss this further.