COUNTABLE & UNCOUNTABLE的食物好難分 - 小學雜談

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引用：唔知有沒有方法容易D明同埋容易D分那些食物

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唔知有沒有方法容易D明同埋容易D分那些食物是COUNTABLE那些是UNCOUNTABLE呢?

如果生活化些問小朋友如果想取多那一樣食物時會點講，好似蘋菓或餅乾會話要多"1個或1塊"，咁這些就是countable，但有些數不到又例如"水或奶奶",最多只能說多D,咁這些便是uncountable. 唔知會唔會容易點啦，試試看啦。

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問題係有啲食物例如 garlic (蒜頭) 同 lettuce (生菜), 明明可以一個個咁數, 喺英文裏面都係 uncountable, 好難解釋, 惟有死記住先.

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mesmerising We say, this is garlic, we have some garlic, but not this is a garlic. 發表於 13-3-21 19:15

mesmerising Garlic 係uncountable，嚴格只可說a clove of garlic，not a garlic. 發表於 13-3-21 19:12

mesmerising 係有lettuces的。發表於 13-3-21 19:09

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如果個名詞／食物可以在前面加indefinite article例如a同an(an apple,a pineapple), 那就是countable. 如果樣食物不能"直接"加a,an在前面（例如沒有a water，只有a cup of water),那就是uncountable了。

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mesmerising 係有lettuces的。發表於 3 小時前

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哈哈，妳個公仔好得意。剛幫妳查了Collins cobuild double check. Lettuce屬於variable nouns,有lettuces。以下只是我諗：We have lettuce here. We have a lettuce here. We have two lettuces here.都可以，妳諗呢？

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如果個名詞／食物可以在前面加indefinite article例如a同an(an apple,a pineapple), 那 ...

How did you learn English? Don't get me wrong, I am not judging your English, just want to know if you went to local school and the traditional way of learning English or not.

The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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http://www.englishforums.com/English/CountableOrUncountable/bpmww/post.htm

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mesmerising Just checked up an American dictionary, it labels lettuce as variable as well, so it is not a British/ American difference, but rather depends on the circumstances. 發表於 13-3-22 06:18

mesmerising Thank you. I think they missed out a group of nouns called variable nouns. I agree with the guy who said lettuces can be counted before shred and serve but usually use as uncountables on the table. 發表於 13-3-22 06:15

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Dear shadeslayer,
Despite your usual sharp tongue, I felt this as a benign question, if not a flattering one. : ). To answer your question, YES, I went to a local convent school since P1 up to upper form and then received my senior high and tertiary in North America, doing fine arts and psychology as my double majors. Those were the best years of my English. After that, I came back to Hong Kong and started my postgrad with the medical school where I used my English in just an intellectual way. I then got married straight away and have since lived my life as a mundane housewife, communicating mainly in Cantonese. I admit this has dulled my English to quite a degree over all these years. Language needs immersion. So, how about you? What brings you to the English you have now?

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Seriously, kids having a mum with a major in fine arts can have wider horizons!

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mesmerising Thank you. Hope so. 發表於 13-3-22 06:32

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回覆：COUNTABLE & UNCOUNTABLE的食物好難分

Mesmerising,

Wow, interesting background. You just confirmed my hunch. Busy now, will talk to you later.

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mesmerising Hovering... : ) 發表於 13-3-22 10:41

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哈哈，妳個公仔好得意。剛幫妳查了Collins cobuild double check. Lettuce屬於var ...

多謝啊, 你真係好心機!

我都認為有lettuces, 加上collins係權威, 當然服!

不過我囡學校啲老師...好威權主義(authoritarian), 我囡有時據理力爭都會扣操行分扣到B-. 我諗我會教佢: 唔好同老師(老師=老闆

)拗, 佢要lettuce就俾佢, 但係要自己知道真正嚟講係有lettuces囉!

咁都好嘅, 等佢唔好好似啲縱壞咗嘅人咁, 俾人鬧兩句/遇到唔合理事就要生要死.

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i_luv_poodle lettuces vs heads of lettuce ?? 發表於 13-3-22 16:32

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Mesmerising,

Wow, interesting background. You just confirmed my hunch. Busy now, will talk to you ...

What a combination of subjects: Arts, psychology and medicine.

I knew you spent senior years in an IS in HK or abroad because the way you told others to judge whether a noun is countable or uncountable by looking at the article preceding it. Majority of locals do not do that.

Me? I spent a number of years in the UK but it was long time ago.

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本帖最後由 mesmerising 於 13-3-22 13:33 編輯

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No, those were taught by my local school in my primary years.  How do others mostly tell the differences between countable and uncountable?
It is not fair! I told you in details about my path to English (both ups and downs)and you just leave me  with"a few years in the UK".  : (

At least you should tell me what you did with your undergrad, maybe?  Hopefully?

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謝謝大家的解答, 但我都係一頭霧水, 英文書和老師話lettuce係uncountable, 不過我諗可能在另一種用法係可以加"s", 如fish, 如解魚類就係uncountable, 解一條條魚係countable, 真係好難搞! 教科書話spaghetti係uncountable, 但noodles就係countable, 好難理解!

請問chicken 和 duck係咪都係uncountable呢?

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本帖最後由 mesmerising 於 13-3-22 16:17 編輯

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一隻隻原隻活雞鴨係countable nouns(鴨其實係variable noun,女鴨才是countable, 但暫時可不理）。妳試試填there is _chicken in the field. 因妳會話there is a chicken in the field，所以chicken係countable.於是,我們又可話there are two chickens/ducks in the field.
但如果雞鴨做餸，就變成uncountable.就算一碟有好多塊，我們都只說some pieces of chicken，a pound of chicken等等。留意到嗎？這裏我們在chicken前不能直接加a. 另外，當我們說chicken salad/soup時，這裡的chicken都係uncountable. 例：a plate of chicken salad, two plates of chicken salad.

但現今有人口語說may I have two chicken salads please?了。不過重點還是chicken仍然係uncountable。

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an egg in the nest
a dish of egg

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本帖最後由 mesmerising 於 13-3-22 17:42 編輯

A dish of egg>>>the egg here refers to a beaten mixture of eggs? In this case, we treat the "eggs"as one whole entity, and hence give you "egg"

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