我知我咁問會比人話...但

silvia_ng

原帖由 artroboy 於 10-11-24 14:16 發表
唔...我都係咁諗...香港依家最大問題係....當年亂批, 如果佢地係好似其他地方咁有一定限制 or 要求...依家就唔會有咁大既隱憂係度...

其實今年選小一已經有呢班人, 當時仲未有39000既, 但凡在港出生就有香港居留權。我屋企隔離正正住了一個媽媽, 當時我同佢一齊大肚, 佢早我兩日生。點知佢全程冇去做產檢, 躲係屋企過期居留, 到佢生果日我先知。(攪到我仲要陪佢去醫院, 佢老公又係大陸人, 只得爺爺麻麻係香港人-業主)

政府比呢班人黎生, 冇問題。但有冇調查幾多會返香港讀書? 幾多人只當香港身份係一個跳板, 大個去第二度而唔會係香港讀? 而家咩野數據都冇, 根本唔知幾多人會黎, 幾多人唔會黎。但出世就真係有咁多人, 咁校舍/教師人手點預呢???

ykha

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[ 本帖最後由 ykha 於 10-11-26 02:59 編輯 ]

thomasha

My comments:
1. Donald Tsang ask HK80s' or couples to have more (~3x) children in one family, but not too many follow. The local birth rate is low with increase aging population (~ that in Singapore).
There are reasons for the poor response to this call, e.g. high costs (housing, education, etc), more complicated responsibilities, so not necessarily HK people's fault.
2. HKSAR & China Government have to close one eye to let Mainlander to have their child born here & get all the welfare. Hoping that their kid will help to build up HK in future decade.
Not sure why babies born in HK of Mainland parents have automatic right of abode, though it seems to be a common practice around the world.
3. Since 1979, Many HK people donate money & material to mainland & many HK investors (e.g. factory boss) contribute the great econmomy growth in Mailand. Even contribute to the big corruption of those mainlander. I would say nowadays most of the money of mainlander was originated from HK.
That was the past.  The Chinese economy has grown at very high rates over the past years and I don't think it's fair to attribute the growth purely on contribution of HK investors.  Nowadays, there are many investors from other countries.
4. During 1980-2003, HK guys went up to train mainlanders (inside factory or school education) & HK guys spend money there for cheaper properties/ food/ clothes etc, making HK local economy regress vs mainland's economy grow in fast pace.
Referring to your point 3, HK investors made money from factories set up in China and most of them remitted the profits back to HK.  The effect of HK people's spending in Mainland China should not be over-estimated, compared to returns of HK investors from Chinese factories.
5. Most HK guys , no matter poor/ aged went mainland to get a younger wife.
Most? I didn't.
6. Mainlanders keen to learn cantonese to commuicate with HK guy in past 2 decades. But nowaday they ask you to say PTH, saying that they do'nt know & look down on cantonese.
I think it is not right to force the Mainlanders to learn a dialect (Cantonese) when the predominant national language is PTH.  HK people were too proud at that time and were only humbled back to a normal level after the financial crisis of 1997-2003.  Of course, this is also related to more business opportunities in Mainland China.

CHP

我想講, 有次飲茶, 有一對香港人母女同台.  亞囡已經係浸大主修英文和教育.  亞囡話: 我畢業之後都唔係想教書, 又無其他野做.  亞媽教佢: 你幫人補習, 求求其其得啦, 坐夠鐘之後加多5分鐘好走啦.  亞囡表示十分認同.  我地下一代又點算呀?  香港人也有騙飯食的.

Student123

One must not forget HK people, no matter past or present contribute money (either invest, spending, charity donation) to Mainland.
Just focus on charity, we donate huge amount every yr, esp education, disaster.
In the other way, we never see those mainlander rich men donate to Mainland, not even think they will donate to HK.
A tradition Chinese phrase: After one become rich, he will think of own fame by charity…happen in HK only.


Beside, HK people never enjoy community welfare of Mainland. But Think twice: how much HK welfare is currently enjoyed by mainlander ( no matter tourist or not, e.g. HK medical, education, social security)

原帖由 thomasha 於 10-11-26 03:00 發表
My comments:
1. Donald Tsang ask HK80s' or couples to have more (~3x) children in one family, but not too many follow. The local birth rate is low with increase aging population (~ that in Singapore). ...

ParcoBabyBaby

其實，你地講果班，他們小朋友都有HK ID， 所以吾可以叫做他們是來拿著數嫁

埋怨果班人會分薄自己果份，不如裝備好自己和小朋友，同他們競爭

小曳人

我讀小學時, 可能間學校比較"c", 無乜人讀嗰d, 附近又係木屋區, 所以好多大陸出世嘅同學, 有d仲要兄妹同班, 因為佢地個底差d.. 多數會大過HK出世嗰班~
但係我唔覺得對"教學質素"有太大影響, 我反而覺得大家同學背景唔同, 係學習嘅一部份!

咁當然~ DSS/私小嘅競爭一定會大d架喇.. 不過經過呢輪俾人審完, 睇怕d DSS明白, 佢地唔係活响"自由經濟"裡面, 可以响需求大時加價! (唔知駛唔駛將加多咗嗰d減返呢?!)

小曳人

原帖由 wootaitai 於 10-11-26 10:45 發表

Those people have jobs in China too... the kids have HK ID but not their parents. How can they just transfer the kids here and not look after them? at primary school age?

Aren't schools in China also free?

There is another group of qualified, educated mainlanders who have jobs here. I think they are formidable competition for international schools/ DSS/ private schools

今年~ 北區嘅KG已經超旺場啦! 佢地多數每朝過關嚟返學

嗰d小朋友唔係大陸人 (HK出世就係HK人) 佢地無大陸福利架!

ParcoBabyBaby

原帖由 goo_littlebb 於 10-11-24 13:11 發表
絕對有影響啦, 好多就係睇準香港有免費教育先落黎生架!

其實，爸媽都是大陸人，來得HK生果D， 身家吾會少過我囉，點會為左免費教育先來HK生
他們在大陸生（第一胎）， 可以享受12年免費教育的（爸爸是哪里ID， 就在那里FREE）
就當是第2胎，在大陸要比錢讀書
但小朋友在HK讀書，都要租屋住掛（爸媽吾可以長期居留，不可能照顧）所以都不大可能； 一系即日來回， 小朋友一樣慘，朝6晚6，無得玩課外活動； 還有，據例在深圳南山，根本沒有補習社系補HK課程嫁。因為甘樣，我有個有錢朋友都放棄吾來HK 讀書； 寧願在南山讀國內的（還是比利是先入到名校果D，唉）

ParcoBabyBaby

原帖由 小曳人 於 10-11-26 10:49 發表


今年~ 北區嘅KG已經超旺場啦! 佢地多數每朝過關嚟返學

嗰d小朋友唔係大陸人 (HK出世就係HK人) 佢地無大陸福利架!

要看哪一種
如果爸爸是HK人， 就一般會來HK讀； 爸媽都不是， 就好少會來HK讀
朝6晚6，真系好慘嫁； 而且，坐火車果班，一日淨車錢都幾十蚊； 坐皇巴果班就平D，不過就鄉村小學； 行深圳灣果D， 就天水圍中小學。

chan803

原帖由 goo_littlebb 於 10-11-24 13:11 發表
絕對有影響啦, 好多就係睇準香港有免費教育先落黎生架!

你又知

真係貪香港免費教育水準好咩


更多 gｅ　應該係想要張 hkid card,.

部份可能係內地已經生咗 1 or 2 個, 再生就係超生, 罰 $$ 唔洗講, 隨時連生唔生得成都唔知

CHP

佢地來香港生bb, 因為覺得香港教育質素高d.  係大陸收入較好的都會去國內的國際學校讀書, 佢地覺得其他國家攪既都係好d.

原帖由 ParcoBabyBaby 於 10-11-26 10:50 發表


其實，爸媽都是大陸人，來得HK生果D， 身家吾會少過我囉，點會為左免費教育先來HK生
他們在大陸生（第一胎）， 可以享受12年免費教育的（爸爸是哪里ID， 就在那里FREE）
就當是第2胎，在大陸要比錢讀書
但小朋友在HK讀書，都要租屋住掛（爸媽 ...

ParcoBabyBaby

原帖由 CHP 於 10-11-26 11:02 發表
佢地來香港生bb, 因為覺得香港教育質素高d.  係大陸收入較好的都會去國內的國際學校讀書, 佢地覺得其他國家攪既都係好d.

來HK 生BB
以我觀察就系
1） E院同E療好少少
2） 為左張HK ID
3） 因為超生； 在國內超生，拿ID時會好煩；一般都系比錢（D錢又不一定入國庫，嘿嘿）  而且，有些村委，年年太公分錢果D，如果超生就無錢分（都系為左錢）
講講下， 其實都系為左著數才來HK生 ：P

CrabPincers

原帖由 ParcoBabyBaby 於 10-11-26 10:55 發表



要看哪一種
如果爸爸是HK人， 就一般會來HK讀； 爸媽都不是， 就好少會來HK讀
朝6晚6，真系好慘嫁； 而且，坐火車果班，一日淨車錢都幾十蚊； 坐皇巴果班就平D，不過就鄉村小學； 行深圳灣果D， 就天水圍中小學。 ...

如果我無記錯的話, 早排, scmp 有段新聞
講大陸有一個有$ 人, 係香港投資移民, 買左層豪宅, 為的就是香港的優質教育
係香港, 得個女同工人
我一陣得閒, 看下搵吾搵到段news post 出黎

IJai

不要看少任何小朋友 ge potential
so what if they are from the mainland?
when they grow up you will be relying on them to keep the society running

ParcoBabyBaby

原帖由 CrabPincers 於 10-11-26 11:16 發表


如果我無記錯的話, 早排, scmp 有段新聞
講大陸有一個有$ 人, 係香港投資移民, 買左層豪宅, 為的就是香港的優質教育
係香港, 得個女同工人
我一陣得閒, 看下搵吾搵到段news post 出黎 ...

有600萬投資果D人， 就不是為左免費教育才來啦

IJai

老實說
HK 冇左 mainland 撐住一早瓜得
反而 mainland 冇左 HK 咪又係咁
咪井底之蛙 la come on

andykwan

if you are doing property, investment-related job or simply go to the major shopping area in TST, CWB etc... you must know how mainland people contribute Hong Kong...

in long term, there is no difference between HK and mainland... our kids have to learn how to live and respect each others...

原帖由 Student123 於 10-11-26 10:30 發表
One must not forget HK people, no matter past or present contribute money (either invest, spending, charity donation) to Mainland.
Just focus on charity, we donate huge amount every yr, esp education, ...