Sharing of IB vs NSS

ANChan59

Thanks kym's official info from IBO.

I appreciated kesnia's contribution in BK, I clarify the standards bewteen  L and L&L to ensure parents understand the new syllabus.

ANChan59

Ksenia

Noted and thanks for your clarification.

ANChan59

ANChan59

Check your pm for details

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Annie

In HK, if the faculty put Maths HL/SL on admission requirement, it means they are forced by the management to put SL to expand their student catchment to fill up all spaces. The faculty prefers HL, full-stop.

ANChan59

ANChan59

Predicted score first and then consider HL vs SL of critical subject(s).

ANChan59

原帖由 20101101 於 11-10-18 00:08 發表
Anyone can help?

I am not 100% sure, but it is more suitable for students won't take Maths subject in university as the standard is pretty low.

ANChan59

20101101

For your question, I try to answer in two perspectives:

1. 2013 onward, no more A1, A2 & B.  Will be A and B, A will be divided into two streams, Literature and Language & Literature. L and L&L have similar standing with different focus.

2. In 2012, still have A1 and A2. University will consider IB scores first, then may further review the A1 vs A2 and also HL vs SL. My following guess based on my limited info as 2012 is not my major focus. HKU, MBBS accepted A1 and A2 in English, HL min 4, SL min 5. Chinese can be waived with IBDP qualification. LLB may prefer both A1 and HL. BBA prefer A1 English with HL.

May be other parents can verify my guess in part 2.

ANChan59

ANChan59

You are correct.

ANChan59

原帖由 kym 於 11-10-22 10:53 發表
I think is

Group 1: Language A (Lit), Language A (Lang & Lit), Language A (Lit & Performance)

Group 2: Language ab, Language B

So Group 1 only have Language A,  Group 2 only Language ab or B

kym

Are your saying from 2013 onward still have Lit & Performance?

ANChan59

ANChan59

kym & Annie123

Thanks for your further clarification.

We discussed at home about Chinese Language a couple months ago. If my son really want to study medicine, he should take Chinese B instead of A. The grade point diffeence can be 1-2 point difference. But he may take Business and or Law as well, he better keeps Language A at SL.... not an easy choice....

ANChan59

ANChan59

In another post, a parent raised the above question, here is my replies.

[url=http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/red ... o=lastpost#lastpost]http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/red ... o=lastpost#lastpost[/url]

Some observations on your cases:

1. I agreed some IB stduents may not be the cream of the cream before IBDP, my son may be an example. But IBDP has totally different approach for studying, not like HKDSE/NSS. Some students may be more suitable in IB and perform much better in studying and examination format and achieve better grades. My son's progress in IB may overtake some friends who perform better than him in G7-9 in the same school. In the IB admission of my son's school, some students were recommended to stick to NSS by the IB coordinator, as they will perform much better in HKDSE.

2. IBDP is more demanding in learning process, I can witness my boy's work load and the quality of outputs. He finished Pre-IB last year and IBDP yr 1 around 2 months, he needs to work long hours for homeworks (I review his homework, most of them are meaningful and not repetitive drilling exercise.)and more quiz and progress test.... relative to NSS friends in the same grade & school, their progress much faster than NSS.

"Who move the cheese?"..........

3. In the program, they need to do commentaries, critique, oral presentation, group projects, CAS, TOK, EE.......... Student profile - learn how to learn, inquirer, critical thinking, creativity ..... they are nuturing very similar to university students, but in high school. They have higher self-esteem and self confidence and more comfortable in interviews. If I were a professor, similar results, I will take IB students.

4. GCE-AL may be another stories, most of them are studying in UK due to whatever reasons (We may think some of them are the kids of our dear civil servents.....). The standard may be even lower than HKDSE. I can't believe 30% student got A in GCE-AL....... Now, more and more UK boarding and private schools changed to IB schools. Unfortunately, some professors' view on GCE-AL not align with reality.

5. I chatted with a few professors from business & medical schools, they ranked the academic results in desending order like this:
HKALE > IBDP > [HKDSE] > GCE-ALE > HKCEE > IGCSE,
so more drop outs are from:
EAS (both HKCEE & IGCSE) > GCE-AL > IBDP

6. 知恥近乎勇 - if there is a choice, most parents and kids prefer to study in HK. Of course, some kids are very outstanding and study in feeder schools. But most of them due to relative poorer academic results or other problems. After changing to a new environment, the kid may have a chance to rethink and reshape himself due to teachers, new peer groups and more postive learning environment.....

7. Even more mature students also understand the financial burden to their families, get better grades and through non-JUPAS get back to local universities, can helpthem to save HK$400-500k per year. I won't say its unfair if their results is comparable to other qualified kids.

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ANChan59

20101101

I appreciated your effort to clarify and validate information from different sources.

Annie123

Thanks for your clarification.

ANChan59

ANChan59

原帖由 kym 於 11-10-26 15:33 發表
I know that we can take the tests as many time as we can. And I'm thinking of letting him to do twice. He is currently in pre-ib so I think I'll let him do one in IBD1 and one in IBD2.

Your plan is better.

Some IBDP yr2 students from your son's school got the offers from Ivy league by the end of yr1. Don't do it in yr2.

ANChan59

原帖由 ilovenunu 於 11-10-26 20:20 發表
請問美國那些好的大學, SAT I 通常要拿幾多分? 另會否每部分有最低要求?

Pls refer to the following link:

http://www.satscores.us/

I hope it meets your purpose.

ANChan59

另上文所說的學生在 IBDP year 1學期末已有 offer, 那麼是否 year 1 十一月或一月已報名考大學? Yes, they are.  

不是應該在 year 2 十一月(early decision) or 一月時才報名? Their predicted grades around 36+ with SAT 2100+ and no need to take yr2. My son said he is not sure 1 or 2 went to Ivy League.

ANChan59

Yes, Jan 2012.

ANChan59

原帖由 kym 於 11-10-27 00:18 發表
36+ without bonus points?

I didn't verify with my son yet. I think so.

ANChan59

原帖由 kym 於 11-10-27 23:53 發表
Take the average score instead of highest?
I think I need to do some more research on this.

Just check your target universities. Better send email to them to clarify.

Average is the first time I heard, may be I have very limited knowledge about US system.

BTW, the futher studies advisers can confirm that easily.

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kym

Just check at College board, your two questions are answered in FAQ:

When should I take the SAT?

Most students take the SAT during the spring of their junior year of high school. Many students choose to take the SAT a second time in the fall of their senior year after becoming familiar with the test day experience.

How many times should I take the SAT?

Most students take the SAT once or twice. We don’t recommend taking it more than twice because there’s no evidence that taking the SAT multiple times significantly changes your score.

http://sat.collegeboard.org/about-tests/sat/faq

ANChan59

kym

A detail list of SAT requirements of colleges and universities.

http://professionals.collegeboar ... -practices-list.pdf