IB vs International school

daisy17772

原帖由 Radiomama 於 09-12-9 12:02 發表
曾有家長在另一欄介紹一篇文章，可供參考。
(Article regarding IB on SCMP on Sept 7 2009)

在英國有些高校會辦IB diploma課程，賽果(入大學情況)未必如家長及學生所料。

香港有些國際學校辦IB，但不一定辦得好，local sc ...

Agreed.  I believe some students will perform better in A level exams.  Getting a high grade in A level will still enable the student to go for top Uni in the UK and HK.  IB has a very broad curriculum.

gingerale

其實很多家長都搞不清甚麼是IB﹐只知不是傳統教學﹐又有D似活動教學﹐學費又比較高。  看起來﹐IB的理念和NSS的通識科差不多﹐都是著重批判思考﹐也沒有課本﹐大家有沒有看上週的新聞透視﹖  
一科通識﹐都搞到教局和所有中學頭都大﹐辦IB的學校﹐他們的資源和師資又從那裡來﹖  我想新學校的高學費是用來讓他們作課程發展﹐頭十年八年的學生就是他們做實驗的小老鼠。  他們請的老師﹐本地的從來都沒有IB的經驗(讀都未讀過)﹐本地的大學又沒有IB教學訓練課程﹐他們真的會教得好嗎﹖  外國請回來的人工一定比本地的高(就是大家給的學費)﹐但是不一定好﹐香港本身的條件不是很能吸引﹐居住是一個很大的問題﹐我想沒有學校可以提供像大學那樣的HOUSING BENEFIT吧﹖  如果有的話﹐我真的很懷疑學費中有多少是真正用在教學上呢。  

原帖由 Radiomama 於 09-12-9 12:02 發表
曾有家長在另一欄介紹一篇文章，可供參考。
(Article regarding IB on SCMP on Sept 7 2009)

在英國有些高校會辦IB diploma課程，賽果(入大學情況)未必如家長及學生所料。

香港有些國際學校辦IB，但不一定辦得好，local sc ...

[ 本帖最後由 gingerale 於 09-12-9 12:58 編輯 ]

cstchan

要得到ibo承認的課程，要經過重重關卡，而且都要用錢，所以很多學校只會辦ibdp。

如果想明年九月開辦ibdp，今年才正式申請，之前只能申請為candidate school(http://www.ibo.org/diploma/become/)，所以在ibo找到的學校，都是已經開辦ib課程的學校。即使dbs今年中四部份學生不行nss課程，但因為要待中五中六才能開始ibdp，所以dbs的名字也不在ib world school內。

國際學校的課程不是本地課程，可以是其他國家的課程。但因為ib課程不受地區影響(http://www.ibo.org/history/)，可以銜接任何地區大學的課程，所以香港的國際學校漸漸改行ib課程。

mattsmum

這問題沒有觸及核心,

很難找到一所國際學校最後幾年是不行國際文憑課程的，英基改了行國際文憑課程IBDP，FIS, CIS, YC行了多年, GSIS討論一大輪也行了，很難找行A level 課程的國際學校

也很難找到local school 行國際文憑課程的, 好像至今只有vsa, creative, ISF。

[ 本帖最後由 mattsmum 於 09-12-9 13:27 編輯 ]

Radiomama

話得說回來，IB也有課本(但PYP階段主力靠老師)，更會有pass papers，哈哈，考試範圍有得溫習!

IB Diploma 讀什麼? 請參考:
"The IB Diploma Programme (IBDP) requires students to study across a range of subjects. Students must study one subject from each of the following groups.
Group 1: Language A1
Group 2: Language A2, Language B, or Ab initio Language
Group 3: Individuals + Societies (Humanities)
Group 4: Sciences
Group 5: Mathematics
Group 6: Arts and Electives
(An elective may be a creative subject, a second science or a second humanity)"

IB 機構會提供訓練給相關學校的老師，所以學校不一定需要聘用外援;  但若本地學校以為只是教授範圍的轉變而沒有基礎革新，就容易重蹈英國當地一些高校的覆轍。

BTW，香港一些教育界IB先軀都不停被鄰國招攬，因為他們短短幾年已見成果。

原帖由 gingerale 於 09-12-9 12:55 發表
其實很多家長都搞不清甚麼是IB﹐只知不是傳統教學﹐又有D似活動教學﹐學費又比較高。  看起來﹐IB的理念和NSS的通識科差不多﹐都是著重批判思考﹐也沒有課本﹐大家有沒有看上週的新聞透視﹖  
一科通識﹐都搞到教局和所有中學頭都大﹐辦I ...

NAJ

原帖由 gingerale 於 09-12-9 12:55 發表
其實很多家長都搞不清甚麼是IB﹐只知不是傳統教學﹐又有D似活動教學﹐學費又比較高。  看起來﹐IB的理念和NSS的通識科差不多﹐都是著重批判思考﹐也沒有課本﹐大家有沒有看上週的新聞透視﹖  
一科通識﹐都搞到教局和所有中學頭都大﹐辦I ...

Frankly speaking, the DP part of IB is more for connecting/preparing IB-trained students to enter University, that's part of the reasons why there are exams for DP but no exams (just assessment) for the rest.  In fact, during DP study, there is a core subject like an extended version of 通識 called "Theory of Knowledge", which encourages each student to reflect on the nature of knowledge by critically examining different ways of knowing (perception, emotion, language and reason) and different kinds of knowledge (scientific, artistic, mathematical and historical).  Adding to this is the effort to write an extended essay on one of the subjects studied.  Getting good result in IB DP is obviously no easier than A level.

A school need to have enough qualified IB teachers/admin to get certified, that means it either need to hire (from abroad or limited local pool), or to train its teachers/admin and get them pass the assessment.  A candidate school thus need to spend the time and money to eventually become certified.

Btw, doing IB DP only is a pragmatic way to connect its students to U world-wide, but perhaps the true value of IB lies in the long term training of youngsters to grow-up and mature in a rich and non-spoon-fed environment.

[ 本帖最後由 NAJ 於 09-12-9 15:17 編輯 ]

monkeydog

I think to answer A level or IB is easier really depends which kind of students you are talking about. IB must be easier for a student trained under western teaching mode/western countries. HK students are better in A level/HKCEE style is because they were trained under "spoon feed" style. One secret to get good grades in HKCEE/HKAL is to study past papers again and again.  

One thing we need to bear in mind when we choose schools for our kids is we need to look at the trend/market demand for people in next 10-15 years, not now. As many know, governments from China, HK to US, EU all are encouraging more creativity/problem solving for citizens as that is how the country can add value and move forward, not copy and paste.

The key is whether the schools offer IP Dip can insist the IB teaching mode from Primary 1, no matters it is PYP MYP or not.  

原帖由 NAJ 於 09-12-9 13:32 發表


Frankly speaking, the DP part of IB is more for connecting/preparing IB-trained students to enter University, that's part of the reasons why there are exams for DP but no exams (just assessment) for ...

BB小WIN神

本港的IS都以IB為教學方針，不明白樓主的標題想討論什麼？

highfive

原帖由 BB小WIN神 於 09-12-9 19:55 發表
本港的IS都以IB為教學方針，不明白樓主的標題想討論什麼？

IB local schools vs International schools

NAJ

原帖由 monkeydog 於 09-12-9 17:18 發表
I think to answer A level or IB is easier really depends which kind of students you are talking about. IB must be easier for a student trained under western teaching mode/western countries. HK student ...

Just for sharing, I had a couple opportunities to visit some IB PYP schools as potential student's parent.  Not all IB schools are created equal, just like traditional schools, some are more outstanding, but out of the considerable cost to operate the program, at least some common standards set by IBO are observed.

The better ones that I had chance to visit, the students are in general quite well-disciplined but eager to express.  They started to do unit works via Google search and deliver regular presentations in front of unfamiliar peoples from early years of PYP.  They did not excel at dictation and probably are not good at exam techniques yet, but seems to have better teamwork and planning ability.  The PYP also requires quite intensive involvement by parents, at least for earlier years.

BB小WIN神

咁就想請問下有無BK的會員有兩個或以上的小朋友是分別在IB local schools 及International schools就讀過或中正就讀，他們的意見會比較中肯，否則很難比較！
別外，IB local schools 到目前為止仍沒有往績可尋，如何比較呢？

NAJ

原帖由 BB小WIN神 於 09-12-9 19:55 發表
本港的IS都以IB為教學方針

Not 100% true, most IS use IB-DP to connect their students to U worldwide, but many of them are using their country's education framework to teach primary/secondary years, e.g. SIS is using the Singapore framework, not even DP.

[ 本帖最後由 NAJ 於 09-12-9 20:39 編輯 ]

NAJ

原帖由 BB小WIN神 於 09-12-9 20:33 發表
咁就想請問下有無BK的會員有兩個或以上的小朋友是分別在IB local schools 及International schools就讀過或中正就讀，他們的意見會比較中肯，否則很難比較！
別外，IB local schools 到目前為止仍沒有往績可尋，如何比 ...

So few local IB school now, Creative and ISF just got IBO-approval this year, and both ISF and VSA runs more like international school.

I think a better comparison is to contrast IB IS and non-IB IS, especially pre-DP years.

[ 本帖最後由 NAJ 於 09-12-9 20:53 編輯 ]

hoboy

原帖由 NAJ 於 09-12-9 20:12 發表

Btw, doing IB DP only is a pragmatic way to connect its students to U world-wide, but perhaps the true value of IB lies in the long term training of youngsters to grow-up and mature in a rich and non-spoon-fed environment.

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The better ones that I had chance to visit, the students are in general quite well-disciplined but eager to express.  They started to do unit works via Google search and deliver regular presentations in front of unfamiliar peoples from early years of PYP.  They did not excel at dictation and probably are not good at exam techniques yet, but seems to have better teamwork and planning ability.  The PYP also requires quite intensive involvement by parents, at least for earlier years.

Totally agree with you.

hoboy

原帖由 NAJ 於 09-12-9 20:49 發表


So few local IB school now, Creative and ISF just got IBO-approval this year, and both ISF and VSA runs more like international school.

I think a better comparison is to contrast IB IS and non-IB I ...

PYP of VSA is based on local school curriculum. Local Chinese and Maths text books are used. There are dictations and quiz. But for teaching method, it's more like international school

ANChan59

原帖由 cstchan 於 09-12-9 13:23 發表
要得到ibo承認的課程，要經過重重關卡，而且都要用錢，所以很多學校只會辦ibdp。

如果想明年九月開辦ibdp，今年才正式申請，之前只能申請為candidate school(http://www.ibo.org/diploma/become/)，所以在ibo找到的學校，都是已經 ...

DBS is listed in the website now.

ANChan59

原帖由 BB小WIN神 於 09-12-9 19:55 發表
本港的IS都以IB為教學方針，不明白樓主的標題想討論什麼？

Pls go to IBO website and review how many international schools are IB certified and you may withdraw your above statement.

hsbmama

The question I would like to ask, for a long time, is.... why CKY is still not on the IBO list... AND SO MANY PARENTS are paying loads of money ($5XXX/month) to go to an 'IB' programme there???????????????????

really scratch head!!

[ 本帖最後由 hsbmama 於 10-6-29 16:09 編輯 ]

kukukoo

Is Logos become IB school already ? I can't find it's name from the website ? Any more comment to it ?