IB vs International school

yypapa

Anyone know the major differences between school running in IB system vs international schools ?   

Is it true that graduates from IB schools can either go to local U or oversea U while graduates from international schools have nearly no chance to enter local U ?

Interesting to see here that a lot of parents did apply both traditional schools and IB schools for their kids.     Basically nobody applied international schools at the time.

Charlotte_mom

而家香港好多直資都話自己中學行ib, 但要留意幾樣野
1. 係咪已經有ibo approval, 間間都話申請緊, 幾時批?
2. 直資有拎政府支助, 所以教育局話要以提供本地課程為主, 只會批少部分班級行直資, 大部分班級會行334, o係咁情形下, 會否變成精英制? 而且o係有限資源下(除非學費好貴), 點樣去support 334+ib? 要知ib本身既"maintenance fee"都貴, 請ib老師又貴d, 而且本身課程既靈活性都要顧及, 例如同一個科目應該開幾個程度俾學生自己揀岩自己既程度, o係有限資源下, 做得到嗎?

ib畢業生同is畢業生都可以經non-jupas考本地大學, 無分別 (除非將來制度改, 改到jupas包埋ib考生, 又或者已經無jupas)

原帖由 yypapa 於 09-12-8 12:12 PM 發表
Anyone know the major differences between school running in IB system vs international schools ?   

Is it true that graduates from IB schools can either go to local U or oversea U while graduates fr ...

NAJ

Not many schools in HK got the official IB World School status at present.  It is normal to take three years for a candidate school to become IBO approved.

For primary schools:
http://www.ibo.org/school/search ... =&find_schools=Find
For Secondary schools (MYP/DP):
http://www.ibo.org/school/search ... =&find_schools=Find
http://www.ibo.org/school/search ... =&find_schools=Find

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monkeydog

From the IB websites, one interesting thing all IB schools in HK are international schools, no local schools at all. But as I know DBS, ST Paul Co-ed, Logos Academy, CKY claimed they have IB diplomer courses in secondary school.

So, have all these secondary schools' IB diplomer courses been approved by IB org. already or there is no need for IB org. to approve that and any schools can have the courses on their own? Is it the case that these local schools only have some preparation courses on their own for prepare students to sit in IB diplomer exam. They are not offically approved preparation course at all.

原帖由 NAJ 於 09-12-8 12:58 發表
Not many schools in HK got the official IB World School status at present.  It is normal to take three years for a candidate school to become IBO approved.

For primary schools:
http://www.ibo.org/sch ...

daisy17772

原帖由 monkeydog 於 09-12-8 14:34 發表
From the IB websites, one interesting thing all IB schools in HK are international schools, no local schools at all. But as I know DBS, ST Paul Co-ed, Logos Academy, CKY claimed they have IB diplomer  ...

Logos said they are expecting to obtain IB Dip this or next year.  Creative is the only local school that obtained MYP.  For those who has been claiming they will eventually target to offer IB dip, e.g. CKY, they are still yet to obtain it, so for those who said they will want to or plan to offer it, e.g. co-ed and DBS, I have drawbacks whether they will eventually do it, i.e. there're still uncertainties.  Doing an IB programme in a local school environment is not as easy as it thought to be, esp. in traditional schools.  The way the lessons taught, the teachers qualifications, the way the students learning things are very much different.  So I have doubts personally.  Even for ISF, they struggled for quite a no. of years for obtaining the certification, there were lots of pain, and unsuccessful result.  So don't expect too much from those local traditional schools.

[ 本帖最後由 daisy17772 於 09-12-8 15:00 編輯 ]

monkeydog

Thanks for yoru info. Is there any way to find out the status of IB application of schools?

Do you mean Logos is the one who is closest to obtain the IB status?

原帖由 daisy17772 於 09-12-8 14:53 發表


Logos said they are expecting to obtain IB Dip this or next year.  Creative is the only local school that obtained MYP.  For those who has been claiming they will eventually target to offer IB dip,  ...

Charlotte_mom

對住同時考334又考ib(係同一個學生考2個公開試), 我就真係有保留喇

原帖由 monkeydog 於 09-12-8 06:16 PM 發表
Thanks for yoru info. Is there any way to find out the status of IB application of schools?

Do you mean Logos is the one who is closest to obtain the IB status?

monkeydog

I thought it is to choose either 334 exam or IB exam. What do you mean taking both exams at the same time?

Where did you see this info?

原帖由 Charlotte_mom 於 09-12-8 18:45 發表
對住同時考334又考ib(係同一個學生考2個公開試), 我就真係有保留喇

WYmom

原帖由 monkeydog 於 09-12-8 19:38 發表
I thought it is to choose either 334 exam or IB exam. What do you mean taking both exams at the same time?

Where did you see this info?

Logos claim so.

daisy17772

原帖由 WYmom 於 09-12-8 20:39 發表


Logos claim so.

Probably Logos is the only school in HK that claims to target for her students to attempt both exams. All other HK schools would only target for IB or let their students to choose either 334 or IB dip.

daisy17772

原帖由 monkeydog 於 09-12-8 18:16 發表
Thanks for yoru info. Is there any way to find out the status of IB application of schools?

Do you mean Logos is the one who is closest to obtain the IB status?

I'm unsure if one can obtain the school's status of IB application thru IBO.  Mostly the news come from the school internally.  There're various IB certification, in primary, secondary and diploma.  Logos has been applying only for IB diploma, this applies to CKY as well.  Creative secondary is the first local school in HK obtaining MYP.

monkeydog

What is the difference between IB diploma and MYP? Can they both sit in the IB diploma exam.?

原帖由 daisy17772 於 09-12-8 20:58 發表


I'm unsure if one can obtain the school's status of IB application thru IBO.  Mostly the news come from the school internally.  There're various IB certification, in primary, secondary and diploma.  ...

NAJ

原帖由 monkeydog 於 09-12-8 21:05 發表
What is the difference between IB diploma and MYP? Can they both sit in the IB diploma exam.?

MYP = Middle Years Program,  a bit similar to F.1-F.5
Diploma is similar to F.6-F.7

If you study all the way in IB schools, you will go thru PYP -> MYP -> DP, then University after the diploma exam/assessment.

NAJ

原帖由 daisy17772 於 09-12-8 20:52 發表
Probably Logos is the only school in HK that claims to target for her students to attempt both exams. All other HK schools would only target for IB or let their students to choose either 334 or IB d ...

Logos is targeting to integrate NSS with IB DP into a single cirriculum, according to the comprehensive review report:
http://www.logosacademy.edu.hk/LA_chinese/News/CR%20Report%20_Secondary.pdf

If this ambitious goal is successful, then the students can probably sit for both exams, but the IB DP also requires the student to spend effort to submit an extended essay.

monkeydog

http://www.ibo.org/school/search/index.cfm?nextStart=1

Just found even ESF schools, like KG V only offers DP stage for IB, not MYP stage. It seems it is good enough for school to get DP stage aprroved by IB org.

daisy17772

原帖由 monkeydog 於 09-12-8 23:42 發表
http://www.ibo.org/school/search/index.cfm?nextStart=1

Just found even ESF schools, like KG V only offers DP stage for IB, not MYP stage. It seems it is good enough for school to get DP stage aprrove ...

That is because the cost for getting IB certified all the way from PYP, MYP to DP is substantial.  So some schools like CKY  they only target for Dip.

NAJ

原帖由 daisy17772 於 09-12-8 23:58 發表
That is because the cost for getting IB certified all the way from PYP, MYP to DP is substantial.  So some schools like CKY  they only target for Dip.

Agreed.  IB is a costly program to run, though it also offer a quality education experience if implemented properly.

If you look at the number of years:
- PYP (exclude kindergarten) = 6 years
- MYP = 5 years (Creative has shortened it to 4)
- DP = 2 years

Getting DP certified is relatively easier and it involves much lesser cost to a put a school on the IBO radar.

I tend to believe the value of running IB is to offer the students a quality development experience, e.g. a whole-year personal project during MYP.  Just hope all these DP-only schools already have nice cirriculum frameworks before DP, or in the process of being MYP certified.

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monkeydog

In other words, I think it is easier for those new schools than traditional famous schools if they just get DP, not MYP because tradtional schools has been running for many years with traditional teachers and traditional teaching methods for HKCEE.

原帖由 NAJ 於 09-12-9 09:00 發表


Agreed.  IB is a costly program to run, though it also offer a quality education experience if implemented properly.

If you look at the number of years:
- PYP (exclude kindergarten) = 6 years
- MYP ...

Radiomama

曾有家長在另一欄介紹一篇文章，可供參考。
(Article regarding IB on SCMP on Sept 7 2009)

在英國有些高校會辦IB diploma課程，賽果(入大學情況)未必如家長及學生所料。

香港有些國際學校辦IB，但不一定辦得好，local school的情況亦然。

要辦得好，需要時間讓老師熟習課程教授(曾見過有些老師是一舊雲，也有一些滿有點子)，也取決於入讀的學生是否適應(文理並重、動靜均能、還要有領導才能去參與社會服務)，最後是家長的投入，特別是在PYP階段要帶領孩子落實home learning(浩如煙海、沒有課本，那即是萬事萬物皆為課本!)

所以，老師、學生和家長也要調整心態，其實IB Diploma比A level 還要難!

以上純是個人之談!