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畢學武

又在計年齡,
你有冇看一看課程,
香港教育制度以前跟英国,
中五=O level
中七=A level
大學三年(HKU)
N年前當香港未有太多本地書前是用英國書的,常用的有
Pure Math - Advanced Level Pure Mathematics (Physical Science Texts) (Paperback)
by Clement John Tranter


Physic - Advanced Level Physics (Paperback)
by Michael Nelkon (Author), Philip Parker (Author)


Biology-BIOLOGY: A FUNCTIONAL APPROACH [IMPORT] (Paperback)by M.B.V. ROBERTS (Author)
PLANT AND ANIMAL BIOLOGY: VOLUME I & II. (Hardcover) by AE and N Rees. Vines (Author)


Chemistry-Advanced Level Physical Chemistry (Paperback)
by A. Holderness (Author), J. N. Lazonby (Author)


都是英國書。請恕我不明白如何可以用低程度(GCE A Level)的書去考高程度(HK A Level)的試。


至於港英政府点解要香港學生讀多一年才入U,我就不知了,還請各位有大智慧的有識之士賜教!

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-9-29 13:57 發表
YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG!!

On average, local HK students start K1 at 3 and P1 at 6, i.e. 3 years of kindergarten

For IS students, e.g. British system, students start K1 also at 3 but Primary Year 1 at  ...

[ 本帖最後由 畢學武 於 09-9-29 15:58 編輯 ]

WYmom

原帖由 畢學武 於 09-9-29 15:47 發表

又在計年齡,
你有冇看一看課程,
香港教育制度以前跟英国,
中五=O level
中七=A level
大學三年(HKU)
N年前當香港未有太多本地書前是用英國書的,常用的有
Pure  ...

If you believe that the HKCEE and AL level should equal to UK O & A level and should not be harder, are you indicating that the HK students are in fact "dumber" than their counterparts in other countries as they need to study one more year to take the same level exam before entering U??

畢學武

我相信它們程度一樣,不過題目深淺不同。

我不是說香港學生蠢啲,而是奇怪港英殖民地政府為什麽這樣做。

原帖由 WYmom 於 09-9-29 16:39 發表


If you believe that the HKCEE and AL level should equal to UK O & A level and should not be harder, are you indicating that the HK students are in fact "dumber" than their counterparts in other coun ...

almom

原帖由 畢學武 於 09-9-28 13:33 發表
係咪真係咁呢?如果祇計年齡,HKU學士咪=UK master?

Do not only count the number of years people spend in school. You should also consider the content or the curriculum. One extra year in school does not necessarily mean that a person is more advanced.

畢學武

結論:

1.你是一個好學生,又勤力,又主動。你的老師也非常勤力。
2.我的老師比你的懶惰,因為他們大多依書直說,而我是一個非常聰明甚至是天才的學生,因我可用低程度的書去考高程度的試,又比我過關。


你使我今天很高興,謝謝!

PS: 我不是說本地學校比國際學校好,如果當年我有機會讀國際學校(如果我父母比得起錢)我相信我不知幾開心,人生也完全不同也不定,天曉得!

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-9-29 15:56 發表
Do you understand that even using similar textbooks doesn't mean the teaching level as well as the exam questions level will be the same.

I don't know what the current text books used by our secondar ...

almom

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-9-29 17:09 發表
For students with similar talents and capacities (i.e. in general for those local and IS students in HK), the differences in the outcome are mainly due to the differences in style of education.

I was refering to the discussion of HK vs UK curriculum, whether in secondary school level and university level.
I was merely saying that although it appears that HK students seem to have an extra year of education, it does not necessarily mean that they are more advanced than students in the UK.
And thus HKU would not be the same as masters in the UK.

almom

原帖由 畢學武 於 09-9-29 17:18 發表
結論:

1.你是一個好學生,又勤力,又主動。你的老師也非常勤力。
2.我的老師比你的懶惰,因為他們大多依書直說,而我是一個非常聰明甚至是天才的學生,因我可用低程度的書去考高程度的試,又比我過關。


你使我今天很高 ...

Why are you still dragging on the text book thing...?

WYmom

原帖由 almom 於 09-9-29 17:30 發表


I was refering to the discussion of HK vs UK curriculum, whether in secondary school level and university level.
I was merely saying that although it appears that HK students seem to have an extra y ...

This is just to clarify the illusion of most people thinking HK local school standard is higher than IS standard when they compare kids of the seem-to-be "same" year.  If you have a kid of 5 years old studying in IS Y1, you will understand why we won't expect the kid to learn same thing as a 6-year old kid in P.1 of local school.  When kids grow up, they will vary more widely, some can outperform others very far away, no matter in which type of schools.

P.S.  Seems that only wisekid2007 got my point of "dumber" HK students!

[ 本帖最後由 WYmom 於 09-9-29 18:11 編輯 ]

畢學武

低程度的書不是你說的,是我在61樓說的,我見你沒意見便以為你同意,對不起。

你真殘忍.祇讓我開心幾分鐘。

或者我要改為

2.我的老師比你的懶惰,因為他們大多依書直說,而我是一個非常好運的學生,因我可用淺的書去考一個深的試,又比我過關。

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-9-29 17:39 發表
Sorry I don't think you are 非常聰明甚至是天才的學生. How can you come out such conclusion.

Have I ever said that those textbooks are 低程度的書? I only said that "What we have learnt are much harder ...

[ 本帖最後由 畢學武 於 09-9-29 18:28 編輯 ]

畢學武

因為課程會在教科書上反影出來

原帖由 almom 於 09-9-29 17:36 發表



Why are you still dragging on the text book thing...?

畢學武

對不起.我不是說國際學校比本地學校程度低,我祇是說GCE A Level=HK A Level

如果我說國際學校學生十六歲可有本地學校學生十七歲的學術成就,這不是讚美嗎?

不過有這個情況出現,不是因為本地學校學生蠢,而祗是給從政者政策的扭曲而矣。

原帖由 WYmom 於 09-9-29 18:09 發表


This is just to clarify the illusion of most people thinking HK local school standard is higher than IS standard when they compare kids of the seem-to-be "same" year.  If you have a kid of 5 years o ...

almom

原帖由 畢學武 於 09-9-29 18:33 發表
因為課程會在教科書上反影出來

No.
Unless the textbook was desiged for the curriculum.
You stated so that HK students did not have their own textbooks. So they had no choice but to use other curriculum textbooks.
The UK textbooks hardly reflect the actual HK curriculum.

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almom

原帖由 畢學武 於 09-9-29 18:49 發表
對不起.我不是說國際學校比本地學校程度低,我祇是說GCE A Level=HK A Level

GCE A level =\= HK A level.

畢學武

唉!算了吧!

Ｎ年前香港真是跟足英國的,所以用英國書沒所為,現在環境不同,當然不可同日而語。

國際上始终乘認GCE A-Level=HK A-Level,就像同一科目不同試卷,有深有淺. 有難有易,都是入三年際大學入學的標準,我無謂再說了。

原帖由 almom 於 09-9-29 18:55 發表



GCE A level =\= HK A level.

mow-mow

Wisekid2007 & WYmom,
I'm afraid I do not buy your logic of including the kindergarten years which is actually not compulsory education and is often termed 'pre-school'.
Following your logic, then how should one count nursery & pre-nursery years?
School proper starts at primary school, ie P1 & Year 1 respectively for the 2 systems.
You can protest all you like, but academic institutes internationally recognise HKCEE as equivalent to GCSE O-levels and NOT higher.
How they are going to view the new HK Diploma though would be interesting.
If as you suggest that they should view it as the same as A levels, then under your logic that HKCEE is 1 year higher than GCSE O-level, HKU degree will also be a higher degree than UK university degrees based on the fact that their graduates spend 4 years rather than 3 in university?!