直資中學的政府資助金額★IB課程★啟思中學

cow

原帖由 davidmimi 於 09-2-15 01:03 發表
相反一個成績中上的英國學生,已經有機會入到劍橋.

但機會十分緲茫。
想出國讀大學，IBDP應是首選，但想留港升學，IBDP未必好過HKDSE。因持IBDP要經non-JUPAS報香港的大學，而non-JUPAS學位是有quota的。

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davidmimi

原帖由 cow 於 09-2-15 10:50 發表

但機會十分緲茫。
想出國讀大學，IBDP應是首選，但想留港升學，IBDP未必好過HKDSE。因持IBDP要經non-JUPAS報香港的大學，而non-JUPAS學位是有quota的。

知唔知所有大學(包括名牌),都有些冷門學系是收唔夠生的,如果只求在劍橋畢業,不強求在劍橋醫科,法律系畢業,是絕對有可能的.

建議家長們看看一套日劇"東大特訓班",內容是一班極差的學生,透過兩年特訓考入東京大學,其中一個技倆,就係選擇冷門學系.

cow

But please recall what you said before.

"劍橋都有收香港高考生,但一定要是狀元級才有機會,相反一個成績中上的英國學生,已經有機會入到劍橋."

如果劍橋有冷門學系收唔夠生，收成績中上的英國學生，也一定要香港高考生是狀元級?

Balance

原帖由 cow 於 09-2-15 00:17 發表

You may even find the following statement from the curriculum handbok of the hkuga college
"The English curriculum at HKUGAC has been planned in accordance with the philosophical and structual framew ...

Because of living in KLN, I haven't known much about HKUGAC. This was the first time I read the HKUGAC website. I really didn't know the current principal was not the founding one. I am baffled how come the necessity of changing a founding principal in this new school.

Despite not running IB MYP, many DSSs like GT, SPCC and DBS will still offer 1-2 classes IBDP in their future F.5-6. As both the software and hardware in HKUGAC are adopting the IB methodology,  I believe that HKUGAC is able to operate 1-2 classes for IBDP too.

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Balance

原帖由 囝囝爸 於 09-2-11 21:47 發表
如學校收取的學費是介乎2/3 X與2 1/3 X之間，則學校在2/3 X的水平以上每多收一元學費，便須撥出五角作為獎學金/學費資助計劃之用。

如果這是屬實, 怪不知各 DSSs 都有豐厚的 fee remission plan 及 schoolarships 給學生申請了.
以 CSS 為例, 4 人家庭年收入達 $540,000, 仍可以獲得 25% 的 fee remission. 而年收入低於 $270,000, 更可以 100% 免全費.

http://www.css.edu.hk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32&Itemid=59#3

此外, 還有 schoolarships -
http://www.css.edu.hk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=66&Itemid=79



[ 本帖最後由 Balance 於 09-2-16 09:09 編輯 ]

囝囝爸

正如我上文所說, 大家提出問題, 如家長不覺是問題, 就不成問題.  所以學校一樣有不少家長為子女報讀.

我也有幾位親友子女在不同直資就讀, 以我所知, 未有申請助學金, 但知有位家境不錯的同學考入SPCC 中一前獲知有獎學金, 當時該同學自行也獲 LS 暗示收取, 最後選讀 SPCC.  最近報載有家長因金融風暴問題, 家庭收入減少而獲得直資校助學金.  但我想以取助學金入讀直資的個案不多, 原因不言而喻.

GT 未知開辦 IB 已獲批核否?  DBS 最近宣佈用八佰萬開辦 IB 先修課程, 名額六十, 學費首年四萬八, 其後兩年加至五萬八, 預計第三年歸本.  DBS 張校長說課程重書寫及搜集資料能力, 較適合想修讀經濟或法律等學生.

以我記憶, 今次DBS所訂IB學費已比當年預計為低. 不知是否因應經濟不景關係.  幾間直資名校, 籌款能力高, 目標吓吓講過億, 收生能力高.  今次DBS預計籌二億, 受金融風暴影響都籌到八仟萬.  

以HKUGAC來計, 財力知名度相比, 開得倒也未必辦得好, 寧為雞口不為牛後, 捨難取易我覺得正確.  香港富裕, 可負擔入讀 IB 家庭大有人在, 不過家長心態, 任何課程學制, 以成績目標為先, 對傳統直資 IB想也如是.

cow

原帖由 cow 於 09-2-12 18:36 發表
沒聽聞政府只資助參加HK考試制度，但DSS學校要有不少於一半學生參加HKDSE，所以港大同學會以分化理由放棄IB。而IB的成本比HKDSE貴，所以同一所學校，IB班學費較貴。王錦輝亦以發展IB課程極其昂貴而擱置IB。 ...

I just found that I was wrong.

Li Po Chun United World College of HK is a DSS school and offering IB Diploma only.

Then I got another question is "why Li Po Chun could be allowed to provided IBD only."

Tommy

原帖由 cow 於 09-2-22 11:21 發表

I just found that I was wrong.

Li Po Chun United World College of HK is a DSS school and offering IB Diploma only.

Then I got another question is "why Li Po Chun could be allowed to provided IBD on ...

cow,

You're right.  With reference to the page 6 in the attached EDB document, Li Po Chun United World College is a DSS Secondary School.  

Tommy

http://www.edb.gov.hk/FileManager/TC/Content_175/schlist(fees)_c.pdf

囝囝爸

直資校之始於上世紀90年初, 開始有九間直資校, 其中四間為國際學校.  開始時的本地直資多為左派學校, 由政府派位資助, 為補當時官津學位不足.  國際直資校只本地入讀生受到資助.  男拔轉直資發展為另一轉變, 倡多元新思維直資校給予家長多選擇, 當局又訂一套資助準則.

李寶椿聯合世界書院創校九零年代初, 後轉為直資類別, 但現時收高昂學宿費, 相信已離資助標準.  不受資助, 課程發展應可自主.

http://www.ibo.org/school/000638/
stated that ; "Li Po Chun United World College of Hong Kong has been an IB World School since December 1991. It offers the IB Diploma Programme. The school is private. The head of the school is Stephen Codrington. "

Tommy

事關重大，與其在網上估下估下，不如直接向教育局查詢，小弟剛剛發了兩個電郵給教育局，第一個電郵問：

1.        Does EDB define MYP and IBD as “local examinations”?

2.        Will EDB limit the number of students in Creative Secondary School going for HKDSEE and IBD?  For example, at least 50% of its students have to study curriculum going for HKDSEE?


第二個電郵全文如下：

Li Po Chun United World College

Dear Sirs,

With reference to the EDB website,
http://www.edb.gov.hk/FileManager/EN/Content_175/schlist(fees)_e.pdf, Li Po Chun is a DSS school charging $110,000 as school fee and $82,000 as boarding fee.

According to an EDB document (http://www.edb.gov.hk/FileManage ... dmCir210-2001-e.pdf) clause A (ii) in the page 2,

“the DSS income banding system is revised such that a DSS
school will continue to receive full recurrent subsidy from
Government until its fee level reaches 2 1/3 (two and one-third)
of the average unit cost of an aided school place (X). Beyond
this level, Government will not provide any recurrent subsidy.”

I would like to ask the following questions.

1.        Does the “fee level” in the above statement refer only the school fee or both school fee and boarding fee?

2.        If the “fee level” refers to the school fee only, I understand Li Po Chun United World College is qualified to receive full recurrent subsidy from Government.  However, if the “fee level” refers to both the school fee and boarding fee, does it mean Government will not provide any recurrent subsidy to Li Po Chun United World College?

Thank you for your kind attention.



如教育局回覆小弟，定必向各位報告。


Tommy

囝囝爸

有關直資計劃的詳情，可聯絡教育局學校行政及支援第一組。 (電話：2892 6681)
 

cow

Tommy,

I may help to answer some of your questons:

1. Does EDB define MYP and IBD as “local examinations”?
MYP is a program that can be designed for local course just like Creative Secondary. IBD is not defined as local examination.

1. Does the “fee level” in the above statement refer only the school fee or both school fee and boarding fee
Only school fee. That's why Li Po Chun United World College set the so high annual boarding fee of $8,2000 to continue to qualify to receive full recurrent subsidy from Government.

Tommy

cow,

你的回應都好合理，同我的想法也差不多。教育局已經給我一個自動回應的收妥確應，應該很快便有正式的回覆。

Tommy

Tommy

發電郵給教育局查詢已過了三個工作天，但仍未收到教育局的正式回覆，開始有點焦急！

Tommy

Balance

原帖由 Tommy 於 09-2-26 01:20 發表
發電郵給教育局查詢已過了三個工作天，但仍未收到教育局的正式回覆，開始有點焦急！Tommy

我不太認為教育局官員會回答以電郵詢問個別院校的資助詳情. 除非詢問的是記者或是議員.

若想知道個別學校的課程政策, 例如 "CSS 是否真的讓 F.4 同學自行選讀 IBDP 或是 HKDSE, 還是要看有沒有 quota?" , 最好還是直接向校長詢問.

至於擔心直資學校學費會否再大幅調高, 應不用太擔心, 因為市場自由調節, 學費過高, 不怕收生不足嗎?

我考慮會否讓子女選讀一間學校的課程時, 重點的是這個課程 (IB MYP) 的教學法是否適合子女? 同學間的 peer group 會是什麼樣的人? 其家長又是什麼類的人? 學校校長及教師的質素如何? 學校的校舍設施能否配合課程? 辦學機構是否有心辦學?

Tommy

Balance,

多謝你的回應。我自己其實無嘜所謂，讀書最緊要都係靠自己，其次是老師和同學，有料的讀什麼課程都有好成績。向教育局查詢只是出於好奇和求真，佢地是否回覆都唔會影響我小朋友的決定。

話時話，你的選校要求都好高啊！又講到咁白。突然間有d膽心我的小朋友是否高攀得起。 都係好奇一問，假如我的孩子入讀啟思，你是否放心讓你的小朋友入讀呢？ 佢係一間屋村小學讀書，該校經常有負面新聞，曾經被認為係一間無野學只係識得玩，六年級畢業都唔識寫字，只得幼稚園程度等。

Tommy

Balance

原帖由 Tommy 於 09-2-26 14:47 發表
佢係一間屋村小學讀書，該校經常有負面新聞，曾經被認為係一間無野學只係識得玩，六年級畢業都唔識寫字，只得幼稚園程度等..

相信你是講笑, 但可用你的設想討論一下：
讀屋村小學唔係問題, 一樣會有好smart的學生.
一間無野學只係識得玩的小學? 不相信會有這樣的小學.若果六年級畢業都唔識寫字，只得幼稚園程度等, 會否太極端呢? 而有間中學又真係收佢, 咁這間中學係有問題. 講真我都唔想我的子女與這麼低程度的同學為伍. CSS 不至於會取錄這樣的學生吧!

judy

佢係一間屋村小學讀書，該校經常有負面新聞，曾經被認為係一間無野學只係識得玩，六年級畢業都唔識寫字，只得幼稚園程度等。

呢間學校，我知！

Tommy

Balance,

當然係講笑喇，不過都想看看你如何回應我的怪問題。「六年級畢業都唔識寫字，只得幼稚園程度等」當然唔係事實，只係多年前個別痛恨學校的人對學校的中傷。但的而且確今年啟思取錄了大量小兒就讀學校的小六同學，相信他們最後都會有很大部份到啟思繼續升學。



Judy,

感謝你對小兒學校的留意和關心。

Tommy

Tommy

今天收到教育局對Li Po Chun United World College政府資助的正式回覆，全文如下。本人非常感謝教育局官員快速和清晰的回應。至於啟思的查詢，可能電郵發放出錯，因為我只收到一個自動回覆的確認，我已經將查詢再發多一次。

Tommy



Dear Mr XXX,

Thank you for your email of 22.2.2009 and our reply to your two questions
is as follows:

1. The “fee level” in the statement refers to school fee only.

2. With reference to the current school fee of Li Po Chun United World
College, the school is qualified to receive full recurrent subsidy from the
Government.

Sha Tin District School Development Section
Education Bureau

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