直 資 「 一 條 龍 」 拒 直 升 惹 爭 議

CWLC

原文章由 cfpa 於 08-6-25 23:55 發表
有人認為小朋友的媽咪執著, 講惡, 無知, 小朋友有學障還要給全世界人知道...如果有人咁想法, 就証明無法接受/面對小朋友. 幸好,小朋友的媽咪可以勇敢地站起來- "發聲". 故勿論支持與否, 起碼個媽咪對自己同個小朋友 ...

這樣的媽咪都叫勇敢 奇怪
:;pppp:
人地不肯收 就讀其他學校
何必非要讀原校呢
這樣女兒讀落去會開心嗎?

sosochui

I don't really think so. This is certainly related to word "resources". I had once worked in related field of "integrated education" for physically handicapped children. "IE" certainly require more resource, i.e. lower teacher: student ratio, more facilities to facilitate the children, specially trained teachers for handicapped child........I think it is even more complicated for those cases with learning disabilities. HK government actually subsidises a lot to ESF (someone told me that the amt is huge, pls correct me is I am wrong) and ESF kids' parent have to paid $5xxx each month. Their resources should be much more superior to local schools. We should address the difficulties faced by local schools because of insufficient resources.

原文章由 daydream 於 08-6-26 09:35 發表
Don't mix up with the issues. It is nothing related to the school fees.

There is no need (also not ethical) for those government subsidised schools to try to kick out those "sub-standard" students if ...

[ 本文章最後由 sosochui 於 08-6-26 10:08 編輯 ]

iamfine

原文章由 daydream 於 08-6-26 09:43 發表
Please note that the set up of ESF is not for local Chinese students who can enjoy local education system.  Therefore, Chinese has neve been a compulsory subject in the past. There is no need for those foreign kids to learn Chinese.  Just because of the increasing number of Chinese students, ESF tries its best to satisfy the need of Chinese students and therefore starts to teach more Chinese.  However, if ESF doen't have enough resources, it either reduces the Chinese lessons or the curriculum of other subjects. Then from the point of veiw from the original target users (i.e. non-Chinese kids), does it fair to cut down the curriculum in order to make rooms for more Chinese?  ...

Agree.  Parents must not forget that  ESF schools are ENGLISH schools.  It seems that in recent years ESF schools and other international schools have become more like local schools with the influx of those parents who only know Kumon but not Manon.

stevema

占用公家资源，就要替市民设想。那不是资源问题，也无关学生能力，学校有责任教育她，替他筑好将来的生活基础，动不动要把人撵走，留下精英，家长投诉有被指责说她太高调，那么逆来顺受就是应该的吗。

我支持家长，不要让哑忍这样的事。

CWLC

人地不收 頼死也無用
人地只留精英
去讀 有教無類 的學校吧

stevema

香港大把學校都係政府津貼, 大家都應該估計到其他學校更加唔會收佢, 點解只係話港同唔收個女仔唔啱呢!? 其實學校一早聲明要達標先可直升中學部, 佢入學時明知都照讀喎, 咁港同又何罪之有呢?? 再者, 如果中學部o既課程唔啱佢, 夾硬收左佢都會好辛苦, 咁又何必呢??
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这跟中原地产案一样，行内这么多人受贿行贿，为什么只告他几个职员？

事先说明的规定，本身不合理，只是未必犯法，教育局也不管。这学校也挺有意思的。如果提早说明非科科A不收呢？ 家长也要接受？自己的子女入学时希望学校把她教好，学校没有做到，难道就变成家长要来埋单，这正是他的歪理所在。

stevema

人地不收 頼死也無用
人地只留精英
去讀 有教無類 的學校吧

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CWLC

原文章由 stevema 於 08-6-26 11:15 發表
香港大把學校都係政府津貼, 大家都應該估計到其他學校更加唔會收佢, 點解只係話港同唔收個女仔唔啱呢!? 其實學校一早聲明要達標先可直升中學部, 佢入學時明知都照讀喎, 咁港同又何罪之有呢?? 再者, 如果中學部o既課 ...

妳以為子女入學 教好與否只是學校的責任嗎?
家長無責任嗎 ? 奇怪

mow-mow

Please get off your high horse & spare us your lecture.
How can you say that ESF is non-selective to its applicants when some kids from ESF kindergartens can't get to ESF primary schools?
Whenever demand outstripes supply, there is always selection.
If ESF only invites the exact number of applicants for the number of available posts, it can only mean one thing - they have already done the selection prior to sending out the invitations!
As you already mentioned, the kids still have to reach a minimum English standard - isn't that also a selection criteria?
You said that asking a kid who lagged behind to repeat a year is for the kid's benefit.
I would say that asking such a kid to move to a less academically challenging school is also for the kid's benefit.
In both situations, the schools are doing the same thing - trying to find a class/school that is suitable for the kid.
In this case, the kid has already repeated one year at P3, so this school has tried to help her the same way that ESF would have done.
P6 to F1 is a watershed, the same as F5 to F6 & F7 to University. This is a perfect time to re-evaluate whether the school is right for the kid.
I wonder whether ESF would have allowed a kid to repeat & repeat indefinitely - at some point, moving on may be a better option.

囝囝爸

2008-6-26

【大公報訊】記者呂少群報道：港大同學會書院拒收結龍小學學障生事件，令人質疑「一條龍」機制形同虛設。作為最終監管者的教育局，對於直資一條龍學校收生的立場飄忽，由最初堅持應全數收取結龍小學的全部學生，近日改為接受「最終會全數取錄其聯繫小學的小六畢業生。」

向教育局確認以一條龍模式（中學全數收取結龍小學生）營辦的港大同學會書院和小學，被揭發去年致函十多名學生（包括三名學障生），指他們成績不達標，「尚未具備足夠條件升讀」，小學部隨即向家長提供三十多間中學供選擇派位，並通告若參加中學派位則不能保留升讀書院的權利。

事件經家長投訴和傳媒報道後，小學部改稱參加派位的仍可通過第二輪推薦、留級一年和暑期英語班而升讀。身為該書院和小學校董的馮可強稱，六月底可通知十多個在第一輪落選的學生升學安排。

不過，事件卻揭發入讀直資一條龍小學並不能全部升讀結龍中學，全港十一條直資龍，逾半表示不保證百分百升讀，港大同學會書院和小學則不作回應。

當年有份制訂「一條龍」辦學模式的前教統會委員曹啟樂說，理論上結龍學校「一定要全部收取有關學生」。前教統會委員、港大畢業同學會教育基金委員戴希立則否認「一條龍」機制變樣，因為「直資和私立學校有收生自主權，可自行決定全部收取或有條件取錄結龍學校學生，但必須向家長交代清楚並取得協議。

直資學校自訂標準

有港大同學會書院校董坦言，個人希望收取有關學障生，奈何校董會有兩派意見，「有一批人想辦精英學校，我認為把平庸學生教成天才，才是了不起。」

對此事件，教育局的立場值得關注。去年十二月，回覆本報記者查詢時，「教育局發言人說，採用『一條龍』辦學模式的中學應收取全數小學部的學生。」

今年四月十四日，教育局覆函投訴事件的家長鄺倩萍：「採用『一條龍』辦學模式的中學，須全數收取小學部的學生。」教育局近日回覆本報記者時稱，直資學校可自訂收生標準，「不過，須確保家長充分了解這些入學標準。」並說，直資學校有權根據校本需要，訂定適用於所有學生的升班或留級要求。最新說法是：「該校最終會全數取錄其聯繫小學的小六畢業生。」

CWLC

原文章由 囝囝爸 於 08-6-26 11:48 發表
2008-6-26

【大公報訊】記者呂少群報道：港大同學會書院拒收結龍小學學障生事件，令人質疑「一條龍」機制形同虛設。作為最終監管者的教育局，對於直資一條龍學校收生的立場飄忽，由最初堅持應全數收取結龍小學的全部學生，近 ...

學校不作篩選
學生學習那有動力
公開試成績 很難有所提升

sosochui

原文章由 stevema 於 08-6-26 11:15 發表
这跟中原地产案一样，行内这么多人受贿行贿，为什么只告他几个职员？

事先说明的规定，本身不合理，只是未必犯法，教育局也不管。这学校也挺有意思的。如果提早说明非科科A不收呢？ 家长也要接受？自己的子女入学时希望学校把她教好，学校没有做到，难道就变成家长要来埋单，这正是他的歪理所在。 ...

港同係英中, 上到中學, 英語係主要教學語言, "煥茵首學期只有中文和常識科及格"....... 個小朋友英語唔合格, 硬要讀一間以英語係主要教學語言既中學又何苦呢?? 點解唔選擇中文中學呢?? 究竟個位家長係係為個小朋友好呢?? 定係佢自己都放唔低英中才算好學校既包袱呢??  佢話轉校要交代個女既問題, 咁開記招又唔駛交代咩??

你用中原地產一案黎講, 完全係兩碼子既事, 無需討論, 我只可以講, 唔怪之得買夾屋既人又要求政府唔好收番佢地30%樓價補價, 簽晒合約都可以話政府唔啱!

個家長覺得唔公平, 點解要讀呢間學校呢?? 唔通輸打贏要係港人特色?? 咪以為自己講既就係真理, 人地講既係歪理先得架

[ 本文章最後由 sosochui 於 08-6-27 09:40 編輯 ]

sosochui

原文章由 mayc 於 08-6-25 17:43 發表
我想知這6年其間,學校給這位學生(或者是成績不達標的學生)有多少學習上的支援.

我兒子讀一條龍的學校,四年級開始能力分班,好的班別36-39人一班,較差的班別32-36一班,最差的班22人一班(真正的小班教學), ...

你囝囝學校做得好好, 不過如果冇記錯佢係讀未轉直資時既名津校, 我估港同/ tko o個幾間新直資學校未必做到, 因為好多都有一班既人數限制(對家長既承諾), 如果一班36-38人既直資小學, 仲要係冇track record既新校, 我估好難生存囉, 你囝囝個間又唔同講法

sosochui

agree

原文章由 mow-mow 於 08-6-26 11:35 發表
.....As you already mentioned, the kids still have to reach a minimum English standard - isn't that also a selection criteria?
You said that asking a kid who lagged behind to repeat a year is for the kid's benefit.
I would say that asking such a kid to move to a less academically challenging school is also for the kid's benefit.
In both situations, the schools are doing the same thing - trying to find a class/school that is suitable for the kid.
In this case, the kid has already repeated one year at P3, so this school has tried to help her the same way that ESF would have done.
P6 to F1 is a watershed, the same as F5 to F6 & F7 to University. This is a perfect time to re-evaluate whether the school is right for the kid.
I wonder whether ESF would have allowed a kid to repeat & repeat indefinitely - at some point, moving on may be a better option. ...

[ 本文章最後由 sosochui 於 08-6-26 12:18 編輯 ]

sosochui

Then,  do you have any good suggestions for educating a child with special need in limited resources ??

原文章由 daydream 於 08-6-26 10:34 發表
Of course, resources is very important in delivering good education such as specialist teachers, teacher-student ratio, special education support,...etc.

But now the issue is that there is no need fo ...

囝囝爸

推行愉快學習直資一條龍意念是教局前朝產物.

當年幾間新直資校也是掛著這旗幟口號來標榜學校, 招徠吸引學生.  願當試驗品支持意念為子女入讀這些學校的家長, 想是希望子女免於香港一貫傳統填鴨教育, 能愉快學習, 一條龍免子女為升中操練, 煩擾再擔心一次.  但在香港教育制度下, 學校或家長終歸要面對現實.

我以前不信教局的一條龍意念, 除非你是傳統名校, 已有一套有效訓練成績方法, 在小一時也收到一批心存全力以赴的家長學生.

當年教局一條龍意念準則現已蕩然無存, 學校有自己一套一條龍準則.  我或可稱為"變色龍".

當年標榜愉快學習的學校升中時不收回學障生, 當然有其他學校會收這類學生, 人棄我取, 不知道是什麼學校, 相信不是要教"好學生"的名校.  真希望鮮魚行能辦一間中學, 給這些天生已弱勢學生, 被"好"學校排斥後, 有一個希望.

[ 本文章最後由 囝囝爸 於 08-6-26 12:26 編輯 ]

yukico

原文章由 daydream 於 08-6-25 13:45 發表
有冇DGJD 家長出來 confirm 是否屬實

據聞SPCCPS 每年只有 2 or 3 位未能付合學校既學術要求而要留班

小囡剛巧就讀DGJS, 因此(八卦)得知這兩年小六生100%直升中學部.

至於小六前已離校的個案, 就另當別論了, 因為每個離校的學生, 都因不同的理由而離校, 很平常.