唔好意思講句, 不過真係真心話

Rainy

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睇下呢度... 佢講到大家所懷疑或質疑既野

叮鈴

原文章由 Rainy 於 07-8-21 13:39 發表
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睇下呢度... 佢講到大家所懷疑或質疑既野

部分..不太認同，個人覺得創造力比起智力，更難靠後天培養。(當然唔係完全唔得)
創造力反而更受先天性影響。高創造力的人，本身在性格和創作靈感上，就與一般人不同，比起一般人，輕而易舉便能有很好的作品，不用花費很大精力(有時可能只是一個由夢而來的靈感)，而且比較天然...
當然，本身創作力高，卻缺乏後天栽培及自由空間，也不能發揮。

aknchan

IQ test is nothing but a tool.

Just like any tool that human use, like 'fire' or 'gun', there are no good nor bad.  It all depends on how the tool is being use. Is it a robber using the gun to rob a bank OR the policeman using a gun to stop the robber.

Wheter to let your kid take the test is always a difficult question to answer.

It would be naive to think that no parents are using these test result for all the 'wrong' reasons. Yet I still feel that most parents do it with the intention to benefit their children.

Personally, I hesitate to let my kids take these IQ test. Not because I think I would lable them, but rather, I am afraid the test score (good or bad) would affect how I see them.

waiwing

totally agree ....　好多家長完全盲目咁去比小朋友做評估！

原文章由 銘銘媽 於 07-8-2 16:34 硐表
唔好意思講句, 我個人覺得, 除非認為個小朋友有問題, 都唔須要做咩智力評估呀, 須然係好似知道個小朋友既智力去到邊, 咁可以幫到佢, 但係咁做, 會唔會 LABEL 咗個小朋友,
例如:
如果佢高分, 咁就緊係開心啦,  ...

教育心理學

評估一個正常或資優的小朋友，真的幫助到他的教學嗎？

以我的經驗來說，有時我們替學生做過評估後，並向家長作匯報時，我通常都會問一個問題："個結果似唔似佢平時o既表現呀？"
家長通常會答："似呀似呀..."

我既結論係，最了解個小朋友的，永遠不是我們心理學家，而是每天接觸小朋友12~24小時的家長。
我們最了解的不是小朋友，反而是各位家長。
既然家長已經有了比我們更準確的答案，又何需找我們評估呢？
家長所需要知道的，往往並不是這些數字和結果，而是一個好的教學方法。而一個好的教學方法，其實對所有不同類型的小朋友都同樣有效。

所以，對某些心理學家提到每個小朋友都應做一似智能評估，實在感到汗顏....


要處理好一個小朋友的教育，與其"過度"了解小朋友的種種智能特性、學習特性，倒不如先了解自己的教育特性及個人性格。
以我的個人理解，小朋友的性格或是由父母處倒模過來，或是100% 相反。一個過份擔心的父母，其小朋友或是凡事擔心，或是事事尤柔寡斷。
你又希望自己的孩子變成怎樣？:)

dyliswang

My 10 years old boy just got marks 130 in Toni-2 Test of Non Verbal Intelligence for IQ, while QM Hospital identify him as lack of concentration at 2005, requested him to take pills?? we tried & decided to stop. I'm confused as he's v. very smart from childhood but having behavior problem, always got complaim from school & just reach pass mark in school result. Should I go for a Wechsler test 1st than find the solution?
Looking forward for your advise!
Many Thanks
[email protected]

教育心理學

You must first indentify what the your main concern is?
His behaviour? or his IQ?.... I guess it should be his behaviour, right?
If it's behaviour, you have to think what factor contributes most to this  behaviour.
In this case, a biological probelm causing a lack of attention should be the main factor, and being smart or even gifted should be the second factor which magnifies the main factor.
So, I recommend you not to stop taking pills, as it's the key solution for the 1st factor. Some behavioural modification plan (e.g. reward plan) may also help through cooperating with your boy and the teachers.
For the 2nd factor, it depends on whether the teachers take the result of Toni-2, coz' Toni-2 is not a formal comprehensive IQ test. (If it's done by an "EP", you should question his/her qualification). But at least Toni-2 has confirmed that you boy is smart. I must say a HK-WISC is useful, but also not necessary in this case. As I think you can observe which subjects your boy is good at and get bored easily through your observation. HK-WISC can only tell what the boy "should" good at, but it's still not guranteed. You surely can do better than the HK-WISC. Of coz', if you have money, a HK-WISC can still give you some useful information.

原文章由 dyliswang 於 07-9-15 04:34 硐表
My 10 years old boy just got marks 130 in Toni-2 Test of Non Verbal Intelligence for IQ, while QM Hospital identify him as lack of concentration at 2005, requested him to take pills?? we tried & decid ...

[ 本文章最後由 教育心理學 於 07-9-15 08:49 編輯 ]

dyliswang

Your guess is correct, my major concern is his behavior as it's affecting his acadamic result a lot.  Many Thanks for your advise.

MARSTEN

好叻當然好啦,唔使教,但係好多真係教都唔識,要花好多時間先可以學一樣你認為好簡單的事(他們的智商正常的),他們真的需要早期訓練,那當然要TEST過先知他們有需要啦,如感覺統合...

原文章由 natalielin 於 07-8-5 02:57 硐表


同意你地~
其實d媽咪check黎咪就係想話比人知,係呀,我個仔/女係資優生,好叻好聰明囉,好多時都唔係話想知佢係唔係,同唔係想幫個小朋友得到合適既教育方法~

而家有好多唔同既野check,又話學習/語言/讀寫障礙....... ...

[ 本文章最後由 MARSTEN 於 07-9-21 20:31 編輯 ]

教育心理學

原文章由 MARSTEN 於 07-9-21 20:30 硐表
好叻當然好啦,唔使教,但係好多真係教都唔識,要花好多時間先可以學一樣你認為好簡單的事(他們的智商正常的),他們真的需要早期訓練,那當然要TEST過先知他們有需要啦,如感覺統合...

...

有問題當然係要去check 下啦
心理學家其中一條專業守則就係唔好過度為受助人測試，咩叫"過度"？就即係冇需要就唔好測
所以，做評估永遠係由一個問題出發，先作假設，而以評估去引證
如果你見個細路仔好似慢過人..... 值得做，因為可以及早幫助到佢
如果你見個細路仔好似快過人..... 要諗諗個問題o係邊到
佢快過人有冇做成困難？
有... 做；冇...唔做
例如：
發現佢叻得太緊要，D 野未上堂就識，變o左上堂冇心機搞搞震... 做!
但係如果佢叻得o黎D 成績都唔係好得，就即係有其他因素影響緊佢啦....除非你懷疑佢係咪真係咁叻啦，否則個IQ 分緊要D？定搵出個因素緊要D？

pomama

完全認同！ 資唔資優，都要盡心盡力教導啦！

原文章由 TomatoCat 於 07-8-20 17:35 發表
Agree. 身教其實also much more important that checking out a kid is 資優 or not. 父母周圍同人講自己個小朋友係 資優, 只會另小朋友以為自己一切better than others, and not willing to workhard.

...

CKAU06

我自己就唔會同小朋友做呢d test,
但有d媽咪鍾意lor,我亦都唔反對!

因為自己都係覺得資唔資優，
我都要盡心盡力教佢！
最緊要佢開開心心咁成長,
至於有乜野專長.....
就等我自己同小朋友一齊發掘囉!

[ 本文章最後由 CKAU06 於 08-3-30 01:13 編輯 ]

bowie0314

少少意見分享!

我自己覺得資吾資優嘅仔女(沒什麼大不了),都係自己生.關係跟自己是沒法改變.

但另一方面在現今所有事情和事物都會作評估來標籤一個人.e.g.<bb一出世醫院會做--0-1.5歲階段健康院會做--3歲入學面試會做--小學面試會做>短短6年起碼要做10次以上嘅.你可以吾做呢d測試.但你無法阻止別人評估你的兒女.

bitzhee

原文章由 bowie0314 於 2008/05/07 09:56 AM 發表
少少意見分享!我自己覺得資吾資優嘅仔女(沒什麼大不了),都係自己生.關係跟自己是沒法改變. 但另一方面在現今所有事情和事物都會作評估來標籤一個人.e.g.短短6年起碼要做10次以上嘅.你可以吾做呢d測試.但你 ...

I agreed with you.

But I supposed, most of the mothers here are the same as me.  Would like to take maximum information to give our children the best support according to their talent!  
Not really mean would like to push or press our kids to be a "dragon" or peking duck style education.

060905

當然叻唔叻,靚唔靚, 一樣咁鍚仔女, 但如果知道自己個BB係資優兒, 要加倍好好培養, 不要浪費。

Skeleton

I totally agree with what you said.  As a parent, I am always proud of my son no matter what he does.  Of course, I am sometimes tempted to give him some sort of IQ test to "confirm" that he is talented.  But I at the same time don't want to be disappointed in case I find out that he is only ordinary.

Pressure is definitely an issue.  My wish to my son is to let him have a happy childhood and develop to his full potential.  Being labelled as a "gifted child" is not a good thing because this label may take his childhood away, pushing him into the adult world earlier.

701003

原文章由 銘銘媽 於 07-8-2 16:34 發表
唔好意思講句, 我個人覺得, 除非認為個小朋友有問題, 都唔須要做咩智力評估呀, 須然係好似知道個小朋友既智力去到邊, 咁可以幫到佢, 但係咁做, 會唔會 LABEL 咗個小朋友,
例如:
如果佢高分, 咁就緊係開心啦,  ...

同意到極呀 當初我仔就係懷疑"自閉"、"言語障礙"才迫住見心理醫生ga 點知佢疑似"潛在資優"，本來升咗小一要再見心理醫生進一步評估，但我無帶佢去la，因為我唔想佢知道自己資優而同其他人有別，我只想佢開心成長，融入社會！到佢五年班突然考第一，班主任話佢情緒比較敏感，要見家長了解下，果時我先至講亞仔係潛在資優，目前只得班主任、校長同我兩公婆知，連我99都唔知，廢事佢四周圍同人晒命

[ 本文章最後由 701003 於 08-7-1 21:50 編輯 ]

701003

原文章由 教育心理學 於 07-9-12 17:07 發表
評估一個正常或資優的小朋友，真的幫助到他的教學嗎？

以我的經驗來說，有時我們替學生做過評估後，並向家長作匯報時，我通常都會問一個問題："個結果似唔似佢平時o既表現呀？"
家長通常會答："似呀似呀..."

我既結論係，最了解個小 ...

你講ge嘢好似同我仔做評估果位Dr呀 but我同意

nataliekyn

小朋友係咪資優兒童，佢點都自己既仔女，自己一樣都會鍚

我只祈求佢健康成長
將來成唔成材都係睇佢自己
即使我自小為佢安排好一切
但佢無心去做既
結果都係白費

倒不如順其自然
*皆因我就係一個好例子