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Fatty

各位家長，想問下你地小朋友一般記(背)一首歌譜, 歌長約3至5分鐘，大約要幾奈時間？仲有，你地老師一首歌會教幾多堂？仔仔老師依家每堂教一首新歌，係咪正常速度？

bbpoon

請問你們認為3歲9個月小朋友是否太細,我的仔仔比較定,但又怕羞,會否給他嘗試好?

謝謝!

cheungll

I filed this complaint to the Hong Kong Schools Music Festival for the N206 Group 2 Violin Concerto - Age 18 and Under competition that took place yesterday:

For such an advanced class of competition in violin, the HK Schools Music Festival regrettably did not assign an adjudicator who specializes in violin, even though two professors in violin, Prof. Daniel Mason and Prof. Cesar Velev have been invited to come. It is regrettable that Ms Caroline Brown, a cellist, was assigned as the adjudicator. Apparently Ms Brown did not understand the musical and technical requirement of this piece (Wieniawski Concerto No.2 1st movement). I was even more appalled by her inability to discern the poor intonation and lack of basic skills of those she granted places in this group, which is supposed to be one of the top tier violin competitions.

To site an example, in one of the mark forms, she wrote:"Don't rush these passages (after section I piu animato)". If Ms Brown has listened to ANY violininst play this piece before, she would have known that this is where the piece starts to pick up its tempo. Please see Rabin playing this piece on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pzZCObuBX0 (at 5:25)

I must say any conscientious candidates, who have spent the past few months practising hard to perfect their musical and technical skills for this piece, were most unfortunate to have been allocated to this group, and one of them was my daughter.

I understand you may not be able to do anything to change the results of this compeition, but PLEASE assign someone specialized in violin to adjudicate senior violin competitions in future. Although the cello also has strings, it is radically different from the violin, and its players, no matter how experienced, may not have the qualification to adjudicate for sophisticated pieces composed for the violin.

I really wonder what instrument classes Prof Mason and Prof Velev were adjudicating while cellist Ms Brown was flipping through the scores she borrowed from one of the competitors just before the competition started.

[ 本帖最後由 cheungll 於 09-3-4 09:01 編輯 ]

Sindy

原帖由 cheungll 於 09-3-4 09:00 發表
I filed this complaint to the Hong Kong Schools Music Festival for the N206 Group 2 Violin Concerto - Age 18 and Under competition that took place yesterday:

For such an advanced class of competitio ...

係咁架啦...........老師早幾日有個學生比賽,都有投訴,個三角琴唔開蓋,聲都出唔到

dicdic888

Support you!!!
I watched the second half competition yesterday.  How can that girl got the second prize? The pianist were completely out of pace with her in the third page!!!
Why the dg girl got no prize?

It seems that adjudicator didn't know that piece at all!!!  Her eyes just could not follow the sheetmusic if you were too fast.

The same adjudicator was in the concerto under 12.  Also commented too fast with an allegretto piece???   Cellist adjudicator in the senior violin competition???

But they sent a violinist to a viola competition last week!!! Gave prizes to those music composers and out of tones and paces!!!

原帖由 cheungll 於 09-3-4 09:00 發表
I filed this complaint to the Hong Kong Schools Music Festival for the N206 Group 2 Violin Concerto - Age 18 and Under competition that took place yesterday:

For such an advanced class of competitio ...

lky3107

各位

小兒2007考了二級小提琴, 老師叫他今年10月考5級, 己經學緊2隻考試歌及scale, sight reading...etc. (買咗5級考試書)

但昨日老師竟然話記錯咗以為囝囝之前係考三級, 所以叫他考5級(亦己收5級學費), 話其實佢應該考4級.

請問, 4級同5級分別大嗎? 因為尚未報名, 可以有以下方案:

a) 照今年考但考4級, 不過要練過d歌, (咁佢收繄5級錢, 係咪應該攺番收4級?以及回水? 較煩)
b) 明年10月才考5級 (因他明年考5月鋼琴, 不想5月又考小提琴) 但會好悶, 因己經練咗考試歌三個月, 到出年先考?!
c) 照原本計畫即今年10月考5級, 但可能會fail?

點好呢?

cheungll

原帖由 dicdic888 於 09-3-4 14:51 發表
Support you!!!
I watched the second half competition yesterday.  How can that girl got the second prize? The pianist were completely out of pace with her in the third page!!!
Why the dg girl got no pr ...

My daughter was in the first half. If you're interested, you can see a video of how she played 2 days before the competition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX1UkkHemSI

[ 本帖最後由 cheungll 於 09-3-4 21:30 編輯 ]

deniset

[quote]原帖由 cheungll 於 09-3-4 09:00 發表
Dear cheungll,
Prof Cesar Velev is the adjudicator for N207 and N209. My daughter was in the N207 competition this afternoon.  My husband said he was extremely professional in giving out comments and had well explained how the piece should be played.
deniset

cczzko

原帖由 cheungll 於 09-3-4 17:44 發表

My daughter was in the first half. If you're interested, you can see a video of how she played 2 days before the competition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX1UkkHemSI

In fact the most surprising w ...

I've watched the youtube clip!  Your daughter was marvellous!  This is not the first year Ms Brown was invited as the adjudicator.  She was the adjudicator of "again" - the VIOLIN Duet - Junior last year. Be frank, My daughter and her friend were expecting at least 3rd place of that event, but again nothing.  Her comments for my girls were too "fast" and we did think that was the right tempo.  The Duos who got the 1st and 2nd place were actually playing with poor intonation!!

SandyMummy

Wow, she is really amazing and can handle the piece so well !!  Never mind, anyone who plays as skillful and "pro" as her will get recognition in the near future.  

原帖由 cheungll 於 09-3-4 17:44 發表

My daughter was in the first half. If you're interested, you can see a video of how she played 2 days before the competition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX1UkkHemSI

In fact the most surprising w ...

bebebe12345

cheungll,
開解孩子!她儘了力而沒有得到應該得到的,問題並不在孩子,繼續努力吧!孩子並不孤單,還是有人陪她一起失望.
這場比賽的確令我跌碎了所有眼鏡,三位心目中的人選全軍盡墨,不過跟我一樣的大有人在,有行內人專程去棒張小朋友,及
有另一SPCC小朋友(己取8級冠軍).不是一定會贏,但結果也理應不至於如此意外.實在有點兒傷感!

cheungll

原帖由 bebebe12345 於 09-3-4 21:09 發表
cheungll,
開解孩子!她儘了力而沒有得到應該得到的,問題並不在孩子,繼續努力吧!孩子並不孤單,還是有人陪她一起失望.
這場比賽的確令我跌碎了所有眼鏡,三位心目中的人選全軍盡墨,不過跟我一樣的大有人在,有行內人專程 ...

很多謝各位家長和老師的開解。其實阿女已經回復她的樂天性格，繼續玩、 吃東西、 睡覺和「不願意地」練琴；只是我自己還放不下，因為陪她去學琴和練琴是很辛苦的事啊！要練到這樣的音準，老師要花多少心血，父母要花多少耐性，真是有血有淚！

neighbour931

What's the result ? Is the judgement is fair ?

原帖由 deniset 於 09-3-4 18:58 發表
[quote]原帖由 cheungll 於 09-3-4 09:00 發表
Dear cheungll,
Prof Cesar Velev is the adjudicator for N207 and N209. My daughter was in the N207 compet ...

dicdic888

What a wonderful and precise performance!
Sorry to miss her performance on stage.
In my own view, she deserved a prize if she played with this standard on stage as this performance was much better that most of the prize-takers from the second half.

Congrat to your girl with this standard!
Never give up with the low standard jury!

原帖由 cheungll 於 09-3-4 17:44 發表

My daughter was in the first half. If you're interested, you can see a video of how she played 2 days before the competition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX1UkkHemSI

ElisaCheung

Dear alls mami,


急問 , 如小提琴的尾部夾子和線斷了, 因生銹問題, 在那裏可以修理, 約多少錢, 有冇好介紹 . thanks

cheungll

原帖由 dicdic888 於 09-3-5 09:51 發表
What a wonderful and precise performance!
Sorry to miss her performance on stage.
In my own view, she deserved a prize if she played with this standard on stage as this performance was much better tha ...

Thank you for watching my daughter's video and your kind words. Now prize is not the issue. It is the remarks that showed Caroline Brown's ignorance of the piece. Even though my daughter was a bit nervous in the beginning and her inexpensive violin was not as loud as other competitors', she played the fast passages very clearly and according to tempo required by the piece. The comment she got was: "more clarity and don't rush".

My daughter is no longer bothered by this competition, esp after receiving all these encouragements. What I'm now after is that the Music Festival office should not assign such unqualified adjudicators to senior violin competitions in future.

cheungll

The Music Festival office replied to my first email:

"This is to acknowledge the receipt of your email dated 4 March 2009.  It is put on record for internal reference.

Should you have further suggestions for the Festival again, please submit them in writing through the member who entered the competitor(s) concerned to the Hong Kong Schools Music Festival.

Thank you for your support for the Association."

I have sent another email to the Music Festival office asking why they have assigned a cellist as the adjudicator of the highest level of violin competition (except for the strings open class in which 2 or 3 adjudicators are present), whereas violin experts Prof Mason and Prof Velev were sent to adjudicate Grade 1 and Grade 5 competitions.

[ 本帖最後由 cheungll 於 09-3-5 22:01 編輯 ]

deniset

cheungll,
Prof Velev 也不是每一位家長都認同他的觀點。好像Sonata組別，上個星期比賽，阿女的同門師姐（12嵗）跟另一位APA鋼琴系同學夾，比賽前也有Rehersal給鋼琴系教授聼過，認爲得獎機會挺高。但結果三甲不入，令人大爲失望，連同場的家長都認爲評判畀分有問題。雖然冠、亞、季軍都是APA.的組別，但很多時候都有意想不到的結果。
孩子已盡力，對自己有一個交待就可以o架喇.只要根基打得好，種子終會一天結出肥大的果實。你囡囡年紀小小已經有此水準已經非常難得。

原帖由 cheungll 於 09-3-4 21:58 發表


很多謝各位家長和老師的開解。其實阿女已經回復她的樂天性格，繼續玩、 吃東西、 睡覺和「不願意地」練琴；只是我自己還放不下，因為陪她去學琴和練琴是很辛苦的事啊！要練到這樣的音準，老師要花多少心血，父母要花多少耐性，真 ...

[ 本帖最後由 deniset 於 09-3-5 14:18 編輯 ]

deniset

According to my husband, the winner's score was 94.  Yes, the judgement was fair because she played extremely well, 超班水準！

原帖由 neighbour931 於 09-3-4 22:16 發表
What's the result ? Is the judgement is fair ?

neighbour931

I heard that she won in some higher grade competition before and she came back to this frade again to collect all winning certificate. And she got the ACTL in very good result two years ago. Were all competitor far away from her ?

原帖由 deniset 於 09-3-5 14:33 發表
According to my husband, the winner's score was 94.  Yes, the judgement was fair because she played extremely well, 超班水準！