國際學校學生的出路

Atticus

awah112 發表於 12-5-24 00:25
''夕陽無限好 ,只是近黃昏 .''

---他理解是,太陽落山,夠鐘返屋企.

That's only because you told him the meaning and he memorised it...

Snakemama

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我認為awah 的做法值得支持。小孩子在年幼時接觸文學，是一件好事。至於一個五、六歲的孩子能背誦「唐詩」、「宋詞」而不明白真的意境。我覺得沒問題。 只要孩子享受和爸媽一起朗讀的時光，而又明白字面的意思，已經值回票價！試問有多少成年人明白「夕陽無限好，只是近黃昏。」的意境？我們在初接觸這首五絕唐詩時，還不是只明白老師和書中的註釋。要等到自己有一定的人生經歷時，才真正體會到詩中的意境！（有些人可能一輩子也沒有這種體會）
教育並不是立竿見影的一回事，亦不是工廠的標準產品。 是一個過程，一個需要大量時間和耐性的過程。

Atticus

Snakemama 發表於 12-5-24 08:53
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我認為awah 的做法值得支持。小孩子在年幼時接觸文學，是一件好事。至於一個五、六歲 ...

Please don't take me wrong.  I am not suggesting that there is anything wrong with letting young kids learn a few poems/verses by listening to 「唐詩」、「宋詞」CDs and I'm not trying to suggest that I expect young kids to actually read and understand the meaning of these poems.  All I am trying to point out is there is a difference between "看得懂" and "聽CD然後跟着背", that's all.

Snakemama

Atticus 發表於 12-5-24 09:43
Please don't take me wrong.  I am not suggesting that there is anything wrong with letting young ki ...

Hey, it's fine, we are discussing :) I understand your point and agree with you the difference between "看得懂＂and "聽CD然後跟著背＂。However, from those threads, I think Awah was talking about his P1 boy.  If a child like his boy's age, can ＂聽CD然後跟著背＂「唐詩」或「宋詞」and understand the words meaning (not the poems meaning).  It's good and acceptable to me.

Birkin

Heehee, let me start teaching my kids 李白:

"棄我去者、昨日之日不可留，
亂我心者、今日之日多煩憂。

...

抽刀斷水水更流，
舉杯消愁愁更愁。
人生在世不稱意，
明朝散髮弄扁舟。"


"君不見黃河之水天上來，
奔流到海不復回？
君不見高堂明鏡悲白髮，
朝如青絲暮成雪？

人生得意須盡歡，
莫使金樽空對月。
天生我才必有用，
千金散盡還復來。"

Fatrara

畢打官腔 - 陳維安
自主學習 培養解難能力       
(2012年05月23日)
最近，我從雜誌報道中留意到一位新加坡研究人員所做的實驗。
他將一班學生分成兩組，由老師向兩組學生分別提出幾條難題。然後，老師只向第一組同學灌輸解難的方法。果然，這些同學很快就成功完成練習。
而另外一組，老師在提出問題後便離開，沒有任何講解；同學只好通過討論和協作，自己解決問題。不難想像，第二組同學用了很多時間，仍然未能交出答案。但最值得我們深思的是，第二組同學在費煞思量的過程中，找到不少獨特的解難方法，這些都是老師不曾教過的。於是，當研究人員提出另外一些跟先前題目相似，而不盡相同的問題時，在大家都沒有老師從旁協助下，第二組同學的表現要比第一組同學遠遠優勝。這個實驗印證了我們在學校常見的現象，就是學生通過自主學習所學到的知識和技能，往往比依賴老師和家長所灌輸的，更為紮實和持久。
顯而易見，老師的角色應由知識的灌輸者，蛻變成學習的促進者。不過，在本港這個講求效率的社會，我們或許會捨難取易，寧願給予同學「即食」答案，而沒有耐性給他們多點思考和探索的空間。師長縱使盡力灌輸知識，同學卻容易養成了「飯來張口，衣來伸手」的陋習。
孔子說過：「不憤不啟，不悱不發」，即是老師應等到學生想弄清楚而未弄得懂，想說又說不清的時候，才去引導和啟發。用現代語言表述，就是老師應讓同學多點自主學習，嘗試自己解難，然後才作出導引。想不到，孔子在二千五百年前提出的教學理念，到了21世紀的今天，仍然歷久常新！教育局副局長陳維安

bobbycheung

awah112 發表於 12-5-24 00:25
''夕陽無限好 ,只是近黃昏 .''

---他理解是,太陽落山,夠鐘返屋企.

其實唔一定需要深入了解生離死別等才能明白這些心情.
例如 ''夕陽無限好 ,只是近黃昏 '',  我细细個就識.  每當派成績表, 科科都"滿江紅"時, 明知比老豆老母知道就實受靶, 但成績表又要佢地簽名.  每次攞住將成績表由學校返屋企途中, 我都有D ''夕陽無限好 ,只是近黃昏 '' 嘅心情.

4eyesDad

Fatrara 發表於 12-5-24 13:04
畢打官腔 - 陳維安
自主學習 培養解難能力        
(2012年05月23日)

"...而另外一組，老師在提出問題後便離開，沒有任何講解；同學只好通過討論和協作，自己解決問題。不難想像，第二組同學用了很多時間，仍然未能交出答案。但最值得我們深思的是，第二組同學在費煞思量的過程中，找到不少獨特的解難方法，這些都是老師不曾教過的。..."

聽聞英國有些古老大學，就是用這個教學方法 (Tutorial system)。

type409

I also don't think there is anything wrong with awah112's approach. Same case here, many years ago, my Dad asked me to recite the Tang poems and that is useful for me to learn Chinese at later stage. I appreciate it and I still remember I love to recite the poems when I was a little kid.
Just like playing music instruments, I don't think the kids really know what kind of feeling they should have while playing the pieces. They just taught to remember all the dynamics. But it's useful to start practicing since young.

bobbycheung

awah,

見你對我咁仁慈, 我就話埋比你聽 ''舉頭望明月, 低頭思故鄉'' 係点用吖.  每當我老豆老母"丙"完我成績差之後, 通常我老豆就會 ''舉頭望明月" 咁大聲嗌 "天呀!".  我老母就會 "低頭思故鄉'' 咁係度大聲嘆氣.  佢地話想極都唔明点解會生個好似我咁又蠢又懶嘅仔!

Jane1983

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Ninteno：

你說過有些國際學校學生考IBDP中文，同本地學校d中文水平差吳多？邊間呢？
謝謝！

Snakemama

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弟子規：
父母呼　應勿緩　父母命　行勿懶
父母教　須敬聽　父母責　須順承

我個仔如果明以上四句而跟住做，我的日子將會很好過。

poonseelai

4eyesDad 發表於 12-5-24 14:56
"...而另外一組，老師在提出問題後便離開，沒有任何講解；同學只好通過討論和協作，自己解決問題。不難想像 ...

Dr Sugata Mitra's Hole in the Wall Project has proved again that children can best learn via group discussions.



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Dr Mitra run workshops for children in my daughters' school last year.  Year 7 or 8 students in groups of 3 or 4 were asked to do research from the internet, discuss and prepare a presentation within 20 mins.  They were given the topic  "Can a tree think?" and the computer but no instructions.  Amusingly most of them can complete the assignmentswithin the time allowed.  The key message of his research is that parents should have trust in our children and believe that they have the ability to learn by themselves.  As parents we should encourage them to ask questions and arouse their curiosity (this is not easy!).

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bobbycheung  你 out 晒啦.  家吓流行嘅係 "父母規".  点樣念?  只須將 "父母" 改為 "子女" 就OK啦.  即係 "子女呼 應勿緩..................."   [color=rgb(153, 153, 153) !important]發表於 24 分鐘前
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[color=rgb(153, 153, 153) !important]明白。即係我嘅日子一樣好過：）

elmostoney

其實主流學生好多都未必會睇金庸啦, 更咪講紅樓夢, 三個演義啦.  培養閱讀興趣最重要, 識字只係基礎.  我有友人, 係香港讀完小五就外出讀書, 之後再未有係學校環境接觸中文, 但係佢睇三國同金庸都數唔清幾次啦, 要知佢阿媽係手不離書嘅人, 佢四年班就睇細說明朝! 雖則當時年幼, 當然唔係字字都識, 都睇到個大概, 就係因為屋企有書方便, 隨手攞來睇.  而家d後生, 睇太多漫畫同爛書, 中文修養冇物可言, 同係主流學校學左幾多中文無關.

cakids

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citygirl

foolish.mom

Totally agree with the viewpoints of KarenKang about Language Learning.
In my opinion, the language learning objectives in today's world are as follows (listed in order of priority):
1. Speak fluent English at near native level, write English at native level and reading English at very competitive level
2. Speak Putonghua fluently
3. Ability to read Chinese at a high level
4. Written communication in Chinese e.g. report, email at a high level
The above objectives can be fulfilled more easily in IS environment for children in local families.

KarenKang 發表於 12-5-23 19:19
語言是一種工具, 人是要用母語作邏輯思考的,即若人不與人溝通說話時, 人腦子還是用母語來思考的, 語言是用 ...