有無小朋友憑宗教分考到好學校呀?

jk67jk

:exclaim:各位主內的兄弟姊妹：

務請小心慎言！ 我們是討論, 不要謾罵﹐不要自大。 不要因失言而褻瀆上主的名！  

    
「不要讓人小看你年輕；但要在言語行為上，在愛德、信德和潔德上，做信徒的模範。 」(第前4：12)

「溫和的回答，平息忿怒 ；激昂的言語，使人動怒。 」 (箴 15:1)

「多言難免無過，明智的人必約束自己的唇舌。 」(箴 10:19)

「你要避免爭論，如此，你就可以減少罪過；
因為容易發怒的人，能激起爭論；
犯罪的人，使朋友不安；
他在安享和平的人中，散佈讒言。.... ....
激烈的口角，容易惹起怒火；激烈的爭辯，容易流血；
妄證的口舌，致人死命。 你若在火星上吹氣，火就燃起；
你若在火星上吐唾沫，火就熄滅；二者都來自口中。... ...
你要小心，不要因口舌而失足，
免得你在暗算你的敵人面前跌倒，
怕你這一跌，成了不治的死症。 」(德 28章：1-11, 13-14, 30)

「至於舌頭，卻沒有人能夠馴服，且是個不止息的惡物，滿含致死的毒汁。
我們用它讚頌上主和父，也用它詛咒那照天主的肖像而受造的人；
讚頌與詛咒竟從同一口裏發出！我的弟兄們，這事決不該這樣！
泉源豈能從同一孔穴，湧出甜水和苦水來？
我的弟兄們，無花果樹豈能結橄欖，或者葡萄樹豈能結無花果？
鹹水也不能產生甜水。」 (雅各書3：8-12)
:wink:

KKParent

TO Jk76JK;

I am totally agree with you. I thought we all came here just for 討論 and give our opinion/comment.

Meanwhile, I believe that there are no such FAIR or PERFECT Systems/Policies for all of our parents who want their kids can be accepted by their [Dream/Famous School] during the allocation by Government. So...

[謾罵] because [someone] who is a victim or suffering under these policies.
[謾罵] because [someone] who is judged that s/he is not honest.
[謾罵] because [someone] who did not want to be 批評 by others.
[謾罵] because [someone] did not want to give up the fight.
[謾罵] because [someone] enjoys the quarrel.

At the begining, they all have their attitude/reason/cause or whatelse. At last, they all without aim. Just 謾罵 for 謾罵, 批評 for 批評.

I am really hope as YOU said, 「多言難免無過，明智的人必約束自己的唇舌。 」(箴 10:19)

KiuKiu媽媽

哦原來系咁, 咁系咪應該另外開一個名校與宗教背景討論呢??

ykwong

stccmc:

I was being baptised when I was very young, SKH's church.  But never go to church after school. The certificate was lost for many many years.

During the past years, manys (including my wife) urged me to find out the cert, so that my son could ge 5 more marks, at least has higher chance in applying DPS. (My kid is not studying in the church's school.)

I didn't do that, see, I am a real Mr. X. I am so straight that I won't jump the line legal but immoral.

But what I want to say is that, in response to your question: "接受政府每年以千萬計的資助小學, 要求小一入學規則中優待教友是否合理?"

Church provided resources even before the government did. I remember that when I was P.1, it cost $3 per month of the school fee. (an SKH's school)

They really do a lot in providing foundation education in the old days. I don't know the exact idea of the church providing education to the society; let more people knowing their god; or just out of sympathy to let more poor to have education.

The point is: they do a lot in education, both money and goodwill. In any case, they should have some objective in running school. I think we should (at least I) respect their past efforts and respect their choice.

The policy should not only be introduced by the ED. Why it existed, it should be requested by the church at first instance. We should not say: yes, you did a lot in the past, but your historical mission was finished. nowadays I pay all, so you have to follow all my rules. I think it is quite immoral and 忘本.

Second point which could be discussed together with your second question: "保良局津校要求入學規則中優待捐助額到一個特定水平的人是否合理?"

A real Christian, or Catholic, they will donated 10% of their income to the church. and the church use their money to operate a school. Should they have higher priority than others. To be fair, it should not. But in realistic, the church (or charity bodies, like PLK) need funding, their donation may make more to be helped. It is a matter of give and take, I don't have any stance at it,

My two cents opinion, welcome for discussion.

toystory

其實，撇開教會的宗教使命，教會跟一些慈善團體如東華、保良局是很相似，他們無償的服務社會，包括辦學、建醫院等，貢獻良多。教友奉獻教會，跟一些團體成員奉獻慈善團體相似，也是無償的，因此值得尊敬。在教會內/慈善團體內，因著他們的貢獻，教會/慈善團體給予他們一些優先享用教會內/慈善團體內的福利，這當然合理；但是，在公家福利中，便應人人平等，另外，因著其本身貢獻，一直惠及其世世代代，更是封建行為！

假設東華的醫院在病人手術輪侯中，也引入如此計分制度(i.e.東華團體成員及其下一代優先於其它市民) ，又如何？

KKParent

I have some experience about 保良局辦學. I think most of you must know
(1)PLK [Chan Sau Yan](Sorry, cantonese translate) and
(2)PLK [Choi Kai Yau] Primary School, right.

Have you applied those Primary schools in this year or before?  I had and they told me that they prefer received those pupils who came from PLK kindergartens. Of course not 100%. Don't you all think that it's just like [Religion mark] in Government allocation policy.

KKParent

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ykwong

stccmc:

"yk在保良局津校問題中變成中立, 我也想聽聽yk將兩者如何比較"

I said before that, to your question two, I don't have any idea. I believe that if you ask me something, I can answer in short time, it may be my real thought. If I need to think long time, it may mean I didn't think before, any response will be just for response, but not my real thought. Hope you understand what I mean. But I will think about it. Tell you later.

Simply reply, two question should not be mixed, since you  get 5 marks if you are baptised. But you don't get any mark if you donate to PLK. But if you consider the the charity bodies give advantage to those benefit to them. Again, it is a give and take consideration.

ykwong

KK parent:

I think they didn't say they prefer students from PLK kindergarten. But 10 additional points (total 100) is given to those studied in PLK kinder, on the other hand, 10 for those has brother/sister studied in the school. Unlike the CPA, it should be 必收.

Actually, TSL don't have much PLK's kinder pupils EXCEPT Tam AuYeung Siu Fong in Whampoa that they have long term relationshop.

KKParent

Dear all parents here in BK [especially YOU]:

Up until June 15, 2004 I had been a member of Baby-kingdom for the previous few months. Before that, I was a visiter for over One year. I seem to recall that we have a freedom to give our own comment and opinion in any discussion topic in baby-kingdom.  Most of members in baby-kingdom gave their expression to themselves. Of course, in chinese slang, a kind of rice can feed 100 difference kinds of people. Accordingly, we have difference status; situation; comment; opinion; aim; goal; and etc in the same topic. Sometimes, we could share our experience/feeling to each others. Sometimes we post it in the opposite direction. Stand or Against?! Who cares?! Because we all know the regulations in baby-kingdom. Let us here in harmony.

I was well aware of the giving out those against/in the opposite direction judges to the poster who have difference opinion will harm their feelings. As a matter of fact, I am coming in peace and also want to share my feeling. If you thought my words are harming your feelings, I am sorry about that. If you thought my words are ridiculous, please let me know. But, PLEASE DO NOT BECOME PERSONAL. Welcome all comments even criticism with good intentions.

More than once, I received someone's comment, who has an assured manner and arrogant. Nevermind, as I said above, 'A kind of rice can feed 100 difference kinds of people'. I try to make no response and find my peace place. Unfortunately, there was no escape from the fire line. Apparently, I knew I am not the only one who was attacked by that person. I am asking me, why me. Maybe my words lacerable to that person. Maybe I did not have empathy. Maybe my words misleading. After reading those pages that I was suddenly realize that person was quick to take offense.

It is hard to believe that someone is still talking that black is white this way in year 2004. Have you people (or your friends) ever heard of the concept of "How to be a mirror of your kids". Just in case your kids are righteous and ask you why to do such stuff for them. What is your answer? Will you tell them the truth? Or, will you tell another lies? Don't you know that they will shame on you because you did wrong. I knew there are lots of exception cases. That's why in our places still have bad.

After all, I do not want to discuss/express/share in this topic anymore.  If YOU are keen on fight back, that's upto you because you have your right/freedom here.

In closing, would you please put yourself into others' shoes.

With Blessing!

kkparent

chelsea

KKParent,

It will be sad to see you are losing confidence or trust here.  Why don't we put in this way, we come here for sharing, knowledge, new idea or concept, we see each other is simple or friendly, do not take it too personal if you find somebody does not like you.  I think we cannot please or make people to like us, but is to respect others.  I visit this web for relax, fun and of course learn from everyone of you.  I am good at one area does not mean I am good at every aspect of life.  I have a lot to learn and please do not give up to share, if we afraid, we will learn less and less promotion in exchaning ideas.  We can for or against the idea but that is just the expression or exchange of idea, do not take it as battle field, I agreed a pharse, we are the mirror to our kids, how they shaping and how to model or mirror will totally in our hands.

Cheer up friend!

C

ykwong

stccmc:

為何對那5分憤憤不平? Should be something about fairness.

Last night, I think of this for long time. I believe that there is no absolute fair in the world. Then I think about the development of fair in this game.

Earlier parents cound give advice if i am wrong:

Long time ago, we apply PS individually, some needed test, some interview. Only subject to the school selection.

Then 9 years free education, as I remember, the rules were the same. At that time, nobody complaint about fair, if you want to study in LS, DPS, DGJS, you must have something: connection; donation; professional; old boys/girls; (those were private school as I remember). One day those school being elite school. Everybody want their kids study in these school.

And these (part) schools changed into subsidy, then many complaint for fairness, why only the ones have connection, donation..... got the place, we are also tax payer, why don't we have a chance. And I am going to be a middle-class (or thinking they were). The school should not only provide education to the rich (simple classification).

But at the first day, these school were serving the richs, why they needed to change?

Then, There was an allocation system, the govn't made it more fair, do you agree to that? But the policy left a tail, the headmaster could allow 10 points to his/her favourite pupil. So there is no change, the selected still sombody they wanted.

Then, it became more fair, 10 points by principal was deleted. 5 for religous subsitituted. In addition, a second round lucky draw is provided. Is it more fair, I think it is when compare with the old days.

There is a trend that (my estimation), if tax-payers keep on asking for fair, the only way will be purely lucky draw, place will be allocated by random selection according to your selection sequences.

Let me guess what happen if so.

You may say it is unfair! my daughter has higher abilities than others, she should have higher priority. I put a lot of effort over her, private tutition; musical instrument; english standard; sport and art.....

For those good school should allow higher standard kids. If they keep on to let this system goes on, they will no longer be elite school. All schools are identical. And I don't need to be headache, because there is no choice. My brilliant child's abilities are wasted.

For more fair (to yourself, if you think you have a more brilliant child), you may ask the school to select the students again so that similar smart kid could study together, their abilities will not be wasted.

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Then, we go back to the core, what is fair? who decide it? Different people should have different standard:

If I am poor (what should I use? am or were? ), I will say, it is unfair to distinglish people in how rich they are; If I have a gift child, it is unfair to let my kid study together with the normal kids; If I were a millionaire, it is unfair to let my child study with the grassroot; if I have a son, it is unfair to him to study together with girls, (they are more mature in the same age). Everyone is unique, it won't be fair to compare one another.

Then you will say, majority priviliges, is it real fair in this case? and you may find that you are not in the majority's side. Is the majority's benefit your benifit?

I make a guess, majority used to be in struggling in their basic needs, From your past message, I think you should have some knowledge in management, do you know five needs of human by Maslow),

People like you, me and most of members here, we pay higher attention to our kids' education than the majority. Your benefit shouldn't be same as the majority. And I didn't mention thefair of the charity body yet!

I am a faithful believer of Free Market, as you may know that the leader of free market, Adam Smith, started in his well known book "An inquiry to the mistery to the Wealthy of Nations -1776" "Human are selfish, they will fight for their best interest under certain constraint"

To be fair (this kind of fair) is against the nature of Human Being!

Hope you understand what I mean.

PS - Please argue to my idea and not my wording or examples. Many start to quarrel once they saw another. Please make it discussion or debate, but not personal.

ykwong

stccmc:

Two questions, I mean the two you first raised. not when compare church and PLK. I said i will think more before answering.

ykwong

KKparent:

I use an hour to type my message, then I found my postscript is too late.

My comment is :

Never says never again!