國際學校學生的出路

bobbycheung

Start watching at 2:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1MgS46zLy0

They're not kidding.  I found news broadcast with regional accents.
http://www.stv.tv/weather/278351 ... eak-floods-of-2002/

KarenKang

好精彩的討論. 我兒子讀中文強的IS, 因為發現我家姐D仔女讀LS名校, 但中文詞語填充要對答案才有滿分.唔系得半分.好失望, 我以前中文老師不是這樣的.我家姐成日同老師argue分數.
撰IS(中文強的)的原因是老師要用母語教學, 即教中文要中文是母語的, 教英文當然要是英文是母語, 用英文教數學或科學, 也要英文是母語的, 這樣只有IS才做到.若老師表達不好, 學生不會學得好. 或沒有興趣, 或只為考試而讀書, 不為知識而讀書.
還有是港式教育很填鴨, 死讀書, 只喜歡對答案. 不會問為何答案是這樣來的.還有, 港式教育令學生喜歡操練試題, 這樣學知識很片面, 不完整. 只知道知識, 而不明白知識, 也不喜歡自己去找答案或找更多答案. 喜歡別人告知答案, 而不是自己去研究答案. 多看完整的書會令學生有完整的邏輯思考.
這是本人受過兩地教育(港式及美式)的經驗.
以上William9_2003的個案只是他找到個特別叻或資優的. 若有幸請到哈佛生尖子, 應該不是那些番書仔的質素. 可惜哈佛尖子多數留在美國, 被美國大企業請去了.
另外是, 本人會送兒子去外國讀大學, 當然希望是名校. 才讓讀IS.想外國讀書是想他獨立, 有不同的人生經驗, 開眼界. "不是祟洋, 是祟優" (陶傑說的)

friendlyguy

4eyesDad 發表於 12-5-19 11:53
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She may enjoy her weather reporting job.

Don't look down on any youngster. Please note that Mrs Selina CHOW LIANG Shuk-yee started her career as a weather girl in TVB!

Mighty

4eyesDad 發表於 12-5-21 15:16
I've just finished watching TVB Pearl and saw the same international school graduate at the Weather  ...

可能是４EYESDAD看漏、因我也是昨天第一次注意WEATHER　REPORTER的名字、我看到是XX　LEE.　我覚得問題不是在於ACCENT,主要是発声和咬字問題、這同是否在IS完全無関的。　可能她説母語時都一様咬字不清、当然這個如果她願意的話、是可改善的。　Again nothing to do with which school she was graduated from? 不過点解知道她是FROM　IS?　Did she say that?

Babyarsene

But esf is also difficult for local family kids to enter now? They even dun have enough seats for first tier students? No?

gracedolly

原帖由 elmostoney 於 12-05-10 發表
係屋企自己同小朋友做多d中文, 去唔到本地程度, 都要有基本能力, 我相信做得到.  而且而家世代唔同, 出來做 ...

贊同。

elmostoney

看到在此有人舉 "一" 例列出"番書仔"不及本地薑, 我想動力跟LS或IS並無關係, 多少取決於個人.

我也在此舉多例. 我的工作要接觸電子/機械工程人員, 同事中, 亦曾有本地某最高學府的畢業生, 工作態度叫人不敢恭維.  零經驗, 工作卻左挑右挑, 態度散漫, 欠EQ, 不懂和人相處.

友人跟我同年, 是本地大學畢業的工程人員, 本來公司很多職位北移, 他幾經爭取, 想在港請一名工程人員, 可幫輕他在中港兩地奔跑, 卻失望而回.  所有本地大學相關學科的畢業生他都面試, 問他們為何做某某論文, 原理是什麼, 這些畢業生竟說: 不知道, 教授叫我們做, 我們便做了  --- 我覺得這對本地教育只求分數, 不及甚解這一項表現得淋漓盡致.  友人說, 他也不想那麼辛苦, 單靠他一人兩地跑, 但他認為, 若論根基, 技術和工作態度, 在內地總能挑到好的技術人員, 在香港反而更難, 所以最後他都沒有請香港員工, 唯有繼續由他一人兩地跑.

我讓孩子進國際學校, 不是貪圖學得一口流利英文, 這個我在家都能做到.  學英文比學中文容易, 這誰不知道? 我也分別在香港和外國唸過中小學, 還記得在香港唸書就是背書拿高分, 考試過後, 什麼都忘個一乾二淨.  到了外國唸書, 一本書是四,五百頁的, 能背多少?  老師也不要求範本答案, 最重要是理解課文.  中學時一位友人跟我說, 他很喜歡二次大戰歷史, 在香港唸某名中學時, 他將自己會的課外知識都加到考卷上, 老師評卷, 因為學生答的內容超過教科書內的答案, 竟然扣他的分數! 到了外國, 友人仍是隨心以自己所知作答, 雖然超越教科書內容, 老師卻大讚他答得詳盡!

我希望孩子進國際學校, 除了讓他們有個快樂的童年, 不要功課測驗壓得透不過氣來, 亦期望他們明白尋找知識, 甚至人生的樂趣, 依他們所喜, 發揮所長.  我從沒有想過要他們進Ivy League (能進去當然無限支持), 每個人的能力都不一樣, 無需強求, 我亦不要求將自己想做而做不到的, 要他們的人生為我填補 (這也是因為一點個人經驗, 有感而發), 每個生命都不一樣, 我只希望他們走自己的路, 只要不是什麼自毀或影響他人的行為即可.  人不能無錢, 但不一定要進Ivy League才能維生吧?  

torunpoland

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我從沒有想過要他們進Ivy League (能進去當然無限支持)

同意呀! 有本事, 入到就入, 入到的話, 我點都供你讀. (不過, 如果入到, 都應該有本事考到獎學金吧!!!)

我自己覺得, 入大學是基本要求 (也許期望真的太高?!), 但不一定入名校, 有本事入到加拿大一線大學(不屬世界頂級), 甚或美國的二線大學, 其實已經很不錯.

Atticus

awah112 發表於 12-5-23 11:36
Snakemama

我相信一個法國男人,會希望個仔學好法文先,再去學英文,中文.

That is a perfectly understandable and reasonable expectation.  What I don't agree with is Chinese looking down on our own native language and believe that knowing little or no Chinese means they are better educated or have a higher social standing...

Snakemama

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awah112  還有能寫一手好中文  [color=rgb(153, 153, 153) !important]發表於 前天 21:35
[color=rgb(153, 153, 153) !important]Just for 八卦，你兩個仔有冇學書法。我仔唔肯，我都好鍾意人寫得一手好字(不論中、英、法、印••••••）

4eyesDad

KarenKang 發表於 12-5-21 21:49
好精彩的討論. 我兒子讀中文強的IS, 因為發現我家姐D仔女讀LS名校, 但中文詞語填充要對答案才有滿分.唔系得 ...

You have a very good point here. The unfortunate reality is that many International school students have an excuse to work on just English at the expense of all other languages.  
By the time their parents realize their deficiency in Chinese. It's time for university entrance or some kind of exam, etc. Then it's not the right time and is probably too late to catch up Chinese.
Result: Chinese looking students whose Chinese is below par.
The other sad reality is that these Chinese looking students actually think they are "superior" because of their English.

4eyesDad

friendlyguy 發表於 12-5-21 22:23
Don't look down on any youngster. Please note that Mrs Selina CHOW LIANG Shuk-yee started her career ...

When Selina Chow was a weather girl on TVB Pearl about 50 years ago, she was relatively highly paid and the ability to speak fluent English at that time automatically put her in the top 5% of the population.
I bet HKIS was not even in existence then.
The circumstances now are completely different.
Speaking fluent English now is simply not a guarantee for a good job.

Atticus

4eyesDad 發表於 12-5-23 16:11
You have a very good point here. The unfortunate reality is that many International school students  ...

"The other sad reality is that these Chinese looking students actually think they are "superior" because of their English"

I can't agree more but this is probably not their or their parents' fault.  The whole notion of one's ethnic origin being Chinese but native English speaking being regarded as superior is the legacy of the history of our nation...

bobbycheung

4eyesDad 發表於 12-5-23 16:18
When Selina Chow was a weather girl on TVB Pearl about 50 years ago, she was relatively highly paid  ...

4eyesDad,

1. Unlike the old days, I think most parents nowadays know the importance of Chinese language.
2. If there are any Chinese looking students who actually think they are "superior" because of their English, then they are just naive.
3. You are right.  Speaking fluent English now is simply not a guarantee for a good job.  But the truth is nothing would guarantee you a good job nowadays.  The only certainty is that speaking and writing poor English is a guarantee for not being able to find a good job.  

friendlyguy

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What I mean is : 寧欺白鬚公，莫欺鼻涕蟲!

annie40

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nintendio,

陳振聰與妻子譚妙清育有兩子一女，長子陳酉樺（18歲）與弟妹過往從未公開露面。初級偵訊昨天正式開始，陳酉樺現身法庭，與叔父陳振國、同父異母姊姊倫培珍及母親一同支持父親。記者以廣東話向陳酉樺問好，最初未獲回應，稍後Wealthee以英語表示不諳廣東話，透露自己在加拿大英屬哥倫比亞大學讀書，趁放假返港支持父親。
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希望是记者听错又写错 似乎又多左个话自己不諳廣東話的IS孩子, 看;来爸妈不大像说native English的香港人.  难度一家人用外星话或手语沟通乎? 不可思议吧!

annie

bobbycheung

annie40 發表於 12-5-23 16:50
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nintendio,

Annie,

你唔會明嫁啦, 因為
陳振聰夫婦並非普通的香港人.  
事實上他們亦非普通的人.
有D人甚至話佢地唔係人

4eyesDad

friendlyguy 發表於 12-5-23 16:40
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What I mean is : 寧欺白鬚公，莫欺鼻涕蟲!

I was giving a living example based on fact. I hope I did not mistreat anybody.
Maltreatment of any person, irrespective of her age, is wrong.