港大事隔15年重返QS亞洲大學排名第一 中大城大並列第七

猴子爸

KikiDaddy 發表於 25-11-6 11:38
National Taiwan University

AI:
National Taiwan University's (NTU) relative drop from leading positions in Asia is due to intensified competition from other universities and changes in national funding policies that have shifted support away from the top institutions. In the 1990s, NTU was a leader, but as other Asian universities, particularly those in China, received massive government investment in the 2000s, they began to catch up and surpass NTU in rankings. Additionally, internal issues like funding shifts, overstretched faculty, and enrollment changes have also contributed to NTU's decline.

Funding is almost always the most important factor that determines the development of a university.


Contrary to Taiwan, HK Govt will definitely continue to boost the performance of HK's universities and make sure that they will continue to rank high in the top 100 in the world and top 10 in Asia, with the purpose of making hk into an int'l education hub.

KikiDaddy

猴子爸 發表於 25-11-6 11:56
AI:
National Taiwan University's (NTU) relative drop from leading positions in Asia is due to intens ...

Substantial portions of the running costs of a university are actually fixed costs like the depreciation of the campus facilities as well as the related operation and maintenance costs. The incremental costs for supporting the increase in non local students are mainly the payroll costs for additional teaching staff. Hence, most of the $200K tuition fees for a non local student are in fact the profit to the universitiy.
The number of non local students have been increasing in the past few years but the government has not increased the allocation of its education funding to university education (from primary and secondary education).

From UGC statistics: -

https://cdcf.ugc.edu.hk/stat/index.html#/topic/grants

猴子爸

KikiDaddy 發表於 25-11-6 12:38
Substantial portions of the running costs of a university are actually fixed costs like the deprecia ...

I thought what matters most for the rise in ranking is the quality and quantity of research.   Has research funding been increased by the government? I'm not sure.
With the influx of non local students who pay full tuition fees, universities in HK are grabbing this economic opportunity and thriving on this income stream.  And yes, it also helps push the ranking higher on QS.

retriever

cherrieshum 發表於 25-11-6 09:51
就是！清華的理工是世界第一

下？ 不是Stanford , MIT, Caltel 之類嗎？

KikiDaddy

retriever 發表於 25-11-9 18:38
下？ 不是Stanford , MIT, Caltel 之類嗎？

These top US universities may have an edge over Tsinghua in science but definitely not engineering.
Will top students choose to study mechanical or civil engineering in US when there are limited opportunities in heavy industries or infrastructure projects?

猴子爸

retriever 發表於 25-11-9 18:38
下？ 不是Stanford , MIT, Caltel 之類嗎？

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/engineering
US News 的ranking, Top 10差不多都是中国大学，清华第一。Sg 2间，HK 1间。

小黃豆B

cafeva 發表於 25-11-4 19:55
咩排名來架？城大前過清華大學!

好多年前，有個清華理科教授來城大短期工作，同我講城大考試卷仲簡單過清華普通學生練習題。

KikiDaddy

猴子爸 發表於 25-11-11 10:26
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/engineering
US News 的ranking, Top 10差不 ...

Top US students prefer to get a job on Wall Street or an AI job in big tech companies.
China engineers can fill up 10 football fields while US engineers cannot fill up a conference room (quoted from Tim Cook). This may be exaggerated but you can see the big difference.

Situation is similar in HK as the addmission scores for engineering programmes (except for those AI related) are very low, both JUPAS and local Non JUPAS.

twhkleung

KikiDaddy 發表於 25-11-10 19:46
These top US universities may have an edge over Tsinghua in science but definitely not engineering.
...

埋个正正就係, 當地科研同大学, 目标应該係為當地社会服务, 还是為究研而究研? (没有对錯, 策略方向问題).
E.g.,
- US基本上己將資源集中在高科技上, 其它都唔係piority, 所以, 高科技勁, 其它非高科技反而唔係好得, 只有二三流水平.
- HK, 基本上係冇高科技 (土地/人工相對如深圳貴), 强項係金融服务, 但本地大学, 卻投入大量資源, 好似以前, 間間大學, CS dept得二三十人, 但依家, 间间都成百人, 重要绝大部份都係非本地生, 畢业后又冇本地机会, 个个唔返深圳都去海外, 為乜?

twhkleung

猴子爸 發表於 25-11-11 10:26
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/engineering
US News 的ranking, Top 10差不 ...

所以, ranking 既野, 冇啱定錯, 好定唔好, 简乜parameters同weight幾大, 其实已反向定了答案.

猴子爸

KikiDaddy 發表於 25-11-11 12:13
Top US students prefer to get a job on Wall Street or an AI job in big tech companies.
China engin ...

我一直以为US的engineering program是很强，很多人愿意选择修读的，虽然出名很难读。

猴子爸

twhkleung 發表於 25-11-11 12:28
所以, ranking 既野, 冇啱定錯, 好定唔好, 简乜parameters同weight幾大, 其实已反向定了答案. ...

AI 解释：


Tsinghua's high rankings are often attributed to a strong performance in research output, which is a significant factor in many global university rankings. Its high scores in academic reputation and citations per paper also contribute to its strong position。

In the 2025 QS rankings for the broad "Engineering and Technology" subject, Tsinghua is ranked 7th. However, in specific engineering fields, it ranks higher, such as 1st for "engineering research" in the US News rankings. In the 2025 QS rankings for "Engineering and Technology," it is ranked 7th.

twhkleung

猴子爸 發表於 25-11-11 16:44
AI 解释：

題外话小小.
麻煩你问下AI, 佢对"Strong Performance"的定義是什麼?

猴子爸

twhkleung 發表於 25-11-11 17:10
題外话小小.
麻煩你问下AI, 佢对"Strong Performance"的定義是什麼?

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/tsinghua-university-503146


click落去“engineering", 可以见到分项。

twhkleung

猴子爸 發表於 25-11-11 16:41
我一直以为US的engineering program是很强，很多人愿意选择修读的，虽然出名很难读。

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实際情况係, 排名同行动往往係相反(negatively correlated). 个排名從Engineering 到Computer Science 到Artificial Intelligence, 前列基本上大部份都係中国同亞洲大学, 但睇返學生讀埋d 科, 中国同亞洲大學有几多西方学生, 而d西方大学, 又有机多中國同亞洲学生.

猴子爸

twhkleung 發表於 25-11-11 17:51
实際情况係, 排名同行动往往係相反(negatively correlated). 个排名從Engineering 到Computer Science 到Ar ...

Sorry, 不太明白你想表达的意思。

twhkleung

猴子爸 發表於 25-11-11 18:42
Sorry, 不太明白你想表达的意思。

慚愧, 我中文差, 令大家唔会.
1. Engineering / CS / AI 排名前的中国大学, 有多少国際生?
2. 而排名差的外国大学, 又吸引了多少中国学生就讀?

到底係个ranking 正碓, 定係d中国學生决定正碓? 我地应该信d 報告, 定係应该信大多数人的行动(决定)?

ANChan59

twhkleung 發表於 25-11-11 22:38
慚愧, 我中文差, 令大家唔会.
1. Engineering / CS / AI 排名前的中国大学, 有多少国際生?
2. 而排名差的外 ...

你這個觀點角度會開始慢慢改變，因為地緣政治因素，中國學生會被逼留在國內，你的hypothesis 不再正確。以前大多數本科在國內，研究院出國，也不一定主要為咗研究水平，不少係為咗居留權及入籍。各國簽證越來越困難，只能面對現實。

中國大學吸引國際生較多是亞非拉來源，可能係國家層面交流及大量補貼，所讀學科較廣闊，因為中國的大學教育比他們自己國家先進太多。除非有合約規定，很多都想留在中國發展。

西方國家學生，會唔會喜歡中國文化相關或者中國語文相關的學科才會來華求學，基於個人興趣為主，所以數量有限。

猴子爸

ANChan59 發表於 25-11-12 07:54
你這個觀點角度會開始慢慢改變，因為地緣政治因素，中國學生會被逼留在國內，你的hypothesis 不再正確。以 ...

请问知不知清华教engineering, 是用中文还是英文? 如果主要是中文，对于西方学生，这个难关就更加高了。
不过，我始终很难相信清华的engineering是比MIT强的。

猴子爸

twhkleung 發表於 25-11-11 22:38
慚愧, 我中文差, 令大家唔会.
1. Engineering / CS / AI 排名前的中国大学, 有多少国際生?
2. 而排名差的外 ...

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