八月bb想入international school .可以遲一年先讀書嗎？

Jane1983

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講起廣東話，其實即使學校係普較中，只要家庭係講廣東話，小朋友的廣東話都吾會差。

jolalee

Jane1983 發表於 15-4-5 11:49
如果有一個家長可以說native英文，父母一中一英是最好的安排。
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講起廣東話，其實即使學校係普較中，只要家庭係講廣東話，小朋友的廣東話都吾會差。

As I have mentioned it either on this thread or another ones, that between age 0-3 i find it is better to ensure the child has one solid language as a base. Yes, that is doable with each parent speaking to the child in one language too, given the child usually spends way more time with one parent if he or she chooses to be the major caretaker for the child while the other stays the breadwinner. If both parents work, and the major caretaker speaks one language and the parents speaks another, that would work too. (Say, a grandparent speaks Chinese and both parents speaks English, or both parents speaks Chinese and the helper takes the child to many many English playgroups... yes, do not leave the child under the care all the time with someone who has trouble with English grammar and accents herself).

Honestly we people in HK are extremely lucky. I have too many friends overseas, with kids born there having trouble staying fluent in Canto due to their environment. The parents has to push extra extra hard just have them willing to speak the language past age 6. Hong Kong has the Chinese environment for the children to stay fluent in Canto even though the school is fully English based. I am indeed glad that I haven't returned home. Not yet :)

Mighty

imconfusing 發表於 15-4-4 16:47
I was making ppl confused

其実我是想説出一点、這類文法上的錯語、往往就是不是「NATIVE的父母」、但又覚得自己英文吾差、放棄自己母語、硬同小朋友用英文溝通、説錯了基本文法、又不自知之下、小朋友是否跟着錯下去？　発音OK都好、但又出現中文人講英文時的低級技術錯誤、如let me open/close the TV/computer等等。

imconfusing

原帖由 Mighty 於 15-04-06 發表
其実我是想説出一点、這類文法上的錯語、往往就是不是「NATIVE的父母」、但又覚得自己英文吾差、放棄自己母 ...

This is not wrong. I think u still don't understand what my name means .

Anyway I agree with u that parents should put a close eye on the gramma they use.
But then I don't think one is eligible to communicate in a non mother tongue language only if the gramma skill has achieved native level.
Let me share sth here. Back in the days when I was in North America , My parents were given a message from my home room teacher that they should speak more in English at home. She believed that language is a mean for communication. Nothing fancy. Don't think too much about the gramma.The more u use the more fluent it is. Did she know that my parents' level not up to the standard ? Yes . Did she know they are not native speaker? Yes as I was at an Esl class... Did she really care about gramma? What if kids are taught in wrong gramma ? Not really she cared.  at parents' night she told my mom that gramma could be corrected at school. And it would not take long to correct it especially when I was exposed in an English environment .
Courage to speak in a foreign language,however, needed to be strengthened by family support , and of course by the school . You got the key to a new language once u were not afraid it.
I'm sure my teacher was not asking my parents to teach in wrong gramma. She was being realistic to get a balance whether u want your kid to SPEAK or to have your kid getting 100% grammatical correct. And that parents need to use their wisdom to weight them .

Mighty

你個USERNAME只是一個例、無意冒犯。　你個例子我都明白、但状況是相反、這裏是以広東話為主的香港、一般人的母語是広東話、如果生活在美国、老師ENCOURAGE　PARENTS講英文、是無可厚非、明知是移民、当然老師不EXPECT父母是NATIVE。　I　DONT　KNOW　IF　ESF　SCHOOLS　WL　BE　ONE　OF　YR　TARGETED　SCHOOLS OR　NOT,　以我知的ESF理念是強調保有自己国家的伝統、当然包括語言。　

Artie

imconfusing 發表於 15-4-6 10:59
Back in the days when I was in North America , My parents were given a message from my home room teacher that they should speak more in English at home. She believed that language is a mean for communication. Nothing fancy.

North America is really multi cultural. I have lived in Canada and noted that parents of different ethnic groups that have always kept using their own languages at home, but without harming their kids English/French (Canada is bilingual in English and French) language skills. Italians, Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc. Many families still speak their own language at home but their kids are still fluent in English.

This is the first time I have heard such an unusual request from a teacher at school. I am sure your teacher had her reasons when she asked your parents to speak more English to you.

I guess the problem with a lot of immigrants was that they tend to not reach out to english speaking people. Most of them still prefer living within chinese speaking community and thus the chances of using english would be very limited. They buy groceries from shops with chinese speaking cashiers, they hire chinese speaking plumbers or electricians, they use chinese speaking insurance agents or property agents, etc. I am not saying there is anything wrong here. Birds of feathers. But that also means there may be zero needs to speak english for your daily routine.

For international school children in Hong Kong, the issue is probably not huge. If kids start international school early (latest by Year 2-3), kids would most probably have not problems picking up very good spoken English within one year by immersion at school. I know a lot of people that can speak very fluent Cantonese at home with parents with no gweilo cantonese accent, yet also speak native accent english with no Honkie english accent (and have very good english writing skills).

Choosing what to speak to children would be totally a personal choice. There is nothing wrong with choosing to speak English at home with children (even if parents are not native english speakers). However, this is definitely not as important as many parents here stress. A lot of students I know are able to speak good Cantonese (or any other home language, like Japanese, Korean, Indian, Dutch, French) at home, but at the same time having very high English language skills.

torunpoland

我看到的重點是「放棄母語」。

imconfusing

原帖由 Artie 於 15-04-06 發表
North America is really multi cultural. I have lived in Canada and noted that parents of differen ...

Well said! Hats off for the reply Will definitely absorb all the inputs here.

bigbighei

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同意！我大仔都差不多，我比佢玩得既都係用英文既活動，我地照常講廣東話！

Sheep006

We don't speak English with my child at home because we encourage him to speak more Cantonese and Chinese. I don't think it will affect his English though we speak with him in Cantonese all the time.

964000

We are local cantonese family and are speaking English with my 2 yo girl mainly. I think as soon as she has secured a seat in a through train international school, I will be comfortable to switch back to cantonese only at home. My only concern is if she only rely on the 3hr immersion of eng in kinder, her level of English may not be good enough to get into an IS primary school at this moment. Actually my daughter has learned a bit of Cantonese by herself already just by listening to the adults' conversation and from the playmates and grandparents. So I belief she can be switched back smoothly. Finger cross.

Mighty

bladerunner 發表於 15-4-7 14:51
我自幼與孩子只講廣東話，而孩子也只讀了兩個多月國際幼稚園，也一樣考得到比ESF要求更高得多的國際小學。 ...

其実ESF是最没有要求目的一間了、就只是学費比較便宜、於是変成競争大罷了。

FattyDaddy

We often hear widely differing stories on internet forums like this one, like someone may say they know of Caucasian children whose native tongue is English but failed to gain admission to an international school, and someone else may say they know of local children who only had minimal exposure to English but got in. We all know admission depends on many factors and language is only one of them, furthermore each school's requirement is different and changes from time to time so I don't rule out that many of these stories we hear on internet are indeed true, but then one should exercise common sense and logic and recognize which cases are likely to be norm and which ones are probably exceptions.

For those who are targeting international primary schools and are led to believe a short few month's exposure in an all English international kindergarten is all it takes to nail it, be prepared for disappointment because what worked for a particular case may not work in general.

Jane1983

吾贊成放棄母語，不過現在的競爭真係唔係十年八載前的環境。

FattyDaddy

bladerunner 發表於 15-4-7 18:58
我説的個案比比皆是，是你見識少以為係exception case，我的孩子已上中學差不多三年，國際學校的經驗相信比你多。 ...

Haha, I was merely reminding readers to exercise common sense and logic when they read stories from internet forums, as if there isn't enough hearsay and rumour flying around already. I don't see why you would disagree with that, unless you believe if they do exercise common sense they would find your stories incredible.

Relax, have more trust in people, if what you write makes good sense, people will agree and concur with you, without you needing to claim you know more than others