國際學校 vs 本地學校

shadeslayer

原帖由 annie40 於 13-02-18 發表
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比如, 畢菲特是什麼口音? 重要嗎? 內容才是重要.

Annie,

我聽過一個笑話我，大概是：

Mum looked at her son's text by chance and asked what does it mean by "WTF" in his text. Her son said take a guess. She said "Wow, that is fantastic!"

ANChan59

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黃大輝

shadeslayer

Judy,

//我的孩子既享受上學，又享受假期，幾好。//

好似你咁，孩子叻，你睇得通，企得硬，在香港是少數。

始終覺得，本地學校著重知識傳授，國際學校著重自由思考，家長應慎重選「好」學校

無論在那類學校，能中英雙絕，學科知識又好，更能獨立思考有創意，是非常極端例子。

shadeslayer

原帖由 annie40 於 13-02-18 發表
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今天IS 太多, 学店不少,(特别是kinder) , 孩子随时上错船的 ...

IS 有市場，多了不夠水平的學校是自然的事。選 IS 和選 LS 一樣，不能隨便一間。

peter_pan

硬要將本地學生的英語跟 IS 學生的英語比較, 又或是將本地學生的中文跟 IS 學生的中文比較是不公平的。
要比就應該拿大家的第二語言來比，即是拿本地學生的英語跟 IS 學生的中文來比較 - 還要是本地名校 (DGS，SPCC）vs IS 名挍 (CIS， SIS），才有意思！
個人感覺是好的本地學生的英語應該比好的 IS 學生的中文強。所以如果中學會出國讀書的話，我的首選一定是好的本地小學 - 學好中文兼養成了閲讀中文的習慣之餘，又可以有一個不錯的英文底子。到了外國讀幾年書之後，要說一口流利的英語又有何難！

HKTHK

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If they are going to read, why not both Chinese and English?

Yanamami

peter_pan 發表於 13-2-18 20:39
硬要將本地學生的英語跟 IS 學生的英語比較, 又或是將本地學生的中文跟 IS 學生的中文比較是不公平的。
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Fair comment.

I used to be extremely quiet (due to my bad English) when I was studying overseas.  My dorm-mate (native English speaker) told me that my English is a lot better than her Spanish, so I should not have any worrys speaking English.  Besides, as long as she has no problem understanding me, it's all fine. Isn't it the whole point of learning another language? Trying to communicate with the others.  Who cares about accent/ grammatical mistakes?  I was encouraged by these lovely comments.  I also remember that no one complained when those Indian/ Japanese students made their presentations, even though they were really hard to understand.

Also agree with shadeslayer's comment:
"Once the language proficiency reaches a certain point, what you say becomes much more important, with the exception of writers, translators, lawyers and a few other professions."

HKTHK

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But why stop at language proficiency?  I have always thought that language proficiency would be followed by study of literature, culture and history.  If the whole conversation is just about language proficiency, then junior high school should be more than sufficient?

peter_pan

HKTHK，
Top local school students do read both Chinese and English books。From my limited circle of family and friends， I observe that there is a higher chance of finding a local school student who enjoys reading English books than an IS student who enjoys reading Chinese books！ It seems to me that the culture of IS somehow makes their students look down on the Chinese language - they loath to speak to me in Chinese even though they clearly understand what I say。I know this is a sweeping statement and there are many exceptions but that is my general impression from my limited experience！
As for things other than language proficiency，No one is suggesting that we ignore everything else， but I do not mind my children having it tough to gain a solid foundation at primary school stage in preparation to be inspired to think for themselves later on。 I think Hong Kong education fails at secondary school stage where there is＂t enough good teachers to inspire teenagers at individual subjects。 That＂s why my preferred option is primary schooling at top local school and then secondary education and beyond abroad。

akys

雖然直資有階級分化之嫌，但我會投那些一條龍本地直資一票。事實上直資課程除了傳統教育外，已大量採用國際學校教法，如鼓勵閱讀，課外活動，Project， Presentation，多元評估等。這種課程除了保持學業成績外，亦培養孩子的Lateral 及Critical Thinking，而這兩種是傳統教育所欠缺的。

shadeslayer

原帖由 akys 於 13-02-18 發表
雖然直資有階級分化之嫌，但我會投那些一條龍本地直資一票。事實上直資課程除了傳統教育外，已大量採用國際 ...

要考 DSE 便被規限，自由度不多。

shadeslayer

Compare second languages among LS and IS?  I don't think that is useful comparison. What main language do you want the children to learn with?  That does not necessarily mean the mother tongue. What other languages do you want your children to know at the working level?  What kind of education do you want your children to receive?  Academic excellence or more rounded development?  The kind of schools that reward knowledge and results or schools that encourage initiatives and being open-minded?  Why aren't these important?  Why do you people select schools so single-mindedly focus on languages? Oh, school X has a little better Chinese writing, i must select that school. Or am I completely mistaken and you are saying when "all else being equal"?  But schools are never "all else being equal"!

IMO, No school is going to be perfect, parents must recognize what they need for their children's education in addition to languages. Then do what they can at home to complement the school's education.

akys

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考試只是進入大學的工具，個人已掌握的技能是不會失去的。 Mindmap教思考方法，多元活動教合作及解難技巧。
可能我比較老套，始終覺得傳統教育有國際學校不能相比的地方。而加上閱讀，Crit​​ical Thinking及Cre​​ativity的直資正正是我想要的。

shadeslayer

原帖由 akys 於 13-02-19 發表
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考試只是進入大學的工具，個人已掌握的技能是不會失去的。 Mindmap教思考方法， ...

可惜要考 DSE 學校便要受制於現實。

當然傳統學校有國際學校不能比的地方，反之亦然。有甚麼理由認為直資有齊傳統和國際的最優良基因？Best of both worlds, really?

hkparent

Which DSS is so perfect with all these elements?

shadeslayer

peter_pan 發表於 13-2-18 21:56
HKTHK，
Top local school students do read both Chinese and English books。From my limited circle of  ...

they loath to speak to me in Chinese even though they clearly understand what I say

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I don't think the students are on purpose, or so much on loathing or looking down on Chinese.  I have heard a local shop keeper answered in Chinese when a Chinese-looking child spoke English.  I suspect it is about which language you are most comfortable with.

HKTHK

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BTW, my personal experience with reading is the opposite.  LS students don't read much even in the top schools.  Maybe it is not because they don't want to but they just don't have the time?  

akys

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只是個人對香港傳統教育的喜好，並不是說那個好那個不好。不過我覺得傳統教育的弊端是缺乏創意，解難及分析的培養，而由傳統名校轉為直資的都會在這方面著墨，所以我比較喜歡這類學校。

shadeslayer

原帖由 akys 於 13-02-19 發表
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只是個人對香港傳統教育的喜好，並不是說那個好那個不好。不過我覺得傳統教育的 ...

傳統名校轉為直資的，有歷史包袱，香港的期望，我不寄望有澈底的改變，反而新直資如港同有驚喜。

一些直資想兩面討好，會不會變成兩面不討好？