國際學校學生的出路

Atticus

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I agree.  Look at ESF for example.  They openly discriminate against local HK people.  It is stated on their website that they give priority to kids coming from non-Cantonese speaking families.  But Cantonese is the mainstream/primary language/dialect spoken by 90% of the population in HK!  This is absolutely ridiculous - ESF receive government subsidy, which means HK taxpayers' money (i.e., our money) and they expressly discriminate against us!!  Nonetheless, HK parents are still dying to send their kids to ESF and some will lie on the admission application forms (claiming that the kids and the parents themselves can't speak Cantonese) in order to gain a place at ESF!

william9_2003

其實 IS , LS,海外大學, 本地大學畢業生 ,佢地本身水準都各有好,亦各有壞 , 我係公司亦都見盡呢 d員工 既好壞 . 作為僱主, IS以及海外大學學生英文的確普遍俾本地學生叻,口音方面比較好,但當然亦有某 d 番書仔只係英文叻而能力欠佳,做事低能,似係屋企人俾錢幫佢讀 IS 浸咸水 .而本地生方面,雖然佢地英文程度唔及番書仔,但佢地有d學生英文都真係唔差,講得都好流利.當然亦有差既例子呀.   講真,本地生亦有好叻好醒既例子,連番書仔都唔夠佢地鬥 , 我講個我公司約兩年前請人既例子俾你地聽
我公司兩年前請人,吸引左好多畢業生應徵 ,係最後關頭, HR  果邊傾向請浸過咸水既番書仔(佢地好多以前讀開 IS) ,覺得佢地英文比較叻,又有埋 master degree ,但我留意到 有個本地 中大BBA 應徵者,佢係本地著名英中出身,會考科科A拔尖再攞獎學金考入中大.係校內成績又係頂尖,上過莊, 而係面試得知因為佢係單身綜援家庭長大,屋企窮困,所以佢要盡快搵錢幫補屋企所以無讀 master ,係大學讀書都係靠獎學金加兼職為生. 佢係面試表現亦非常出色 ,所以我同 HR 果邊淆過好多個回合 ,又同佢地打賭 ,先可以請呢個本地畢業生同埋幾個番書仔睇下邊個叻 d.
結果係呢兩年,個本地中大畢業生既表現比番書仔優勝得多,而且做事非常醒目,甚至醒目過公司好多所謂資深員工,好有領袖才能,而且又幫公司賺大錢,相反,個幾過有 master degree 既番書仔表現平平無期,唔得醒目,得英文叻 . 係上個月,果個本地薑(我打賭要求請既中大畢業生)已經升左做部門主管,入左管理階層, 當然果幾個番書仔唔服佢,覺得俾個本地薑管住佢, 但公司政策係有能者居之.
所以唔係英文叻就大曬,所以就算係 IS 學生,都要有機智,都要訓練培養點樣做一個出色又醒目既領袖

Mighty

我相信問１０個IS　PARENT,個個都知英文is not everything.  Otherwise why so many IS parents sending their children to extra Chinese tuitions？ IS 不単是為了英文一科的。　
上面有人提到香港人英文有「香」音不是錯、対、不是錯、只是可以容易改善的地方、従小開始、便可以改到、為何不改？　好似葉劉、英文了得、不容致疑、但就満口「香」音、非常可惜！！　無論IS　OR　LS,毎人都規定学IPA、発音就有機会逆転了。

nintendo

如果英文好，我又唔會理係香港音定印度音
就算係美國，new york 同 houston 口音都唔同
其實一般社交，外國人大部份唔會理你 d 口音

讀國際學校係為學英文？係唔係睇得學校教育簡單了。
學校教育教小朋友的點只英文一科？
選擇國際學校的，一般都是因為唔喜歡本地教育。
教知識比學生唔難，但要學生真正理解就唔易。

當然，都有 d 家長係真係因為英文一科而選國際學校，咁我勸佢地考慮清楚先喇。

nintendo

friendlyguy 發表於 12-5-18 23:52
I have to say that I would not embarass when I hear a Hong Konger speak English with Hong Kong accen ...

口音問題，在 BK 經常討論，會有一批人針對批評某 D 口音
好難講，好多人連明珠台都唔睇，淨係靠睇下土豆網的荷里活片聽英文
總覺得英文口音就係咁
當年讀大學，PROFESSOR 來自 MOSCOW，有獨特口音
好采佢冇黎香港教書，唔係 D 青娃仔一定睇唔起佢

nintendo

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你呢個 CASE，都可以話係富家子 vs  窮家子
做野夠唔夠搏，可能同家庭經濟背境有關
朋友請了一個某本地大學畢業生，慘過湊仔

nintendo

Atticus 發表於 12-5-19 00:38
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I agree.  Look at ESF for example.  They openly discriminate against local HK pe ...

esf 成立有其歷史原因
將入學資格定位在 "non-cantonese speaking" 亦有原因和需要
我覺得合情合理

Chole

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Agree!  Actually I think most if not all of the gweilos don't mind about HK accent in the workplace (unless you are in the linguistic field).  It is the HongKongers who feel uncomfortable.

4eyesDad

Don't under-estimate the importance of accent (口音) .
Accent defines where you come from or where you belong.
In a status conscious society, accent defines class.
Many HK parents put their kids to local international schools without paying much attention to accent.
The result can be, well,...very odd.
A living example is a weather girl from TVB Pearl.
She has a complete Chinese name.
She has a complete Chinese look.
She obviously went to an international school in HK and I won't be surprised that she (or her father) knows someone in the TV industry.
When she reads the weather report, her English accent sounds like an untuned violin.
Question 1: Do you want your kid to speak English with that kind of accent?
Question 2: Is weather reporting the best job a local international school graduate can get?  

bobbycheung

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Question 2: Is weather reporting the best job a local international school graduate can get?

Answer: What if she actually likes the job?

4eyesDad

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She may enjoy her weather reporting job.
Would the majority of the audience find her accent a torture?
I just hope she can find another job.
Isn't it a shame that, after investing tons of money in international schooling, one can only get a minimum wage job?

Atticus

nintendo 發表於 12-5-19 10:32
esf 成立有其歷史原因
將入學資格定位在 "non-cantonese speaking" 亦有原因和需要
我覺得合情合理

Pls do enlighten me as to why ESF use HK taxpayers' money and yet discriminate against local HK people.  They won't even properly interview the applicants.  If they had interviewed the applicants and then made their selection based on a number of factors, e.g., interview performance, language skills, sibilings priority, staff priority, etc. then I can understand.  I am not totally against certain categories of applicants (e.g., expats and I mean genuine expats with work visas and not those who have been here for 10+ years with HK permanent ID cards) having prioirty over others.  What I find objectionable is this outright discrimination against local HK (i.e., Cantonese-speaking) applicants.

FattyDaddy

Atticus 發表於 12-5-19 00:38
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I agree.  Look at ESF for example.  They openly discriminate against local HK people ...

Well, there are many Hongkong schools which openly discriminates against non-Chinese speaking foreigners too, look at ALL the local schools for example {:1_1:}

In the not too distant future, China will be a great country leading the world in many fields, Chinese will become the de-facto international language and Chinese professionals will be in such high demand that they fly all over the world to work on all kinds of projects and assignments. Hence there will be Chinese international schools springing up in every country, staffed by Chinese nationals and catering to children of visiting Chinese professionals, and as an aside, some locals who aspire to be associated with anything Chinese. Because these schools will make it easier for Chinese professionals to work in their country, many foreign governments will even go one step further and subsidize these schools.

Oh, but then we hear some local people saying, God damn these Chinese international schools, they place such emphasis on Chinese and openly discriminate against us locals and our local language, heck, we even spend our tax money on these schools, this is absolutely ridiculous.

Atticus

FattyDaddy 發表於 12-5-19 14:40
Well, there are many Hongkong schools which openly discriminates against non-Chinese speaking foreig ...

I am sorry but I don't agree with your comment.  Your comment is simply based on some hypothetical situation that may or may not happen in the future.  I am dead serious about this issue and will write to the Education Secretary for an explanation.  This old boys' club admission system is so colonial and outdated.  If gweilos want priority over local people then ESF can do their own funding and stop receiving government subsidy, just like the other international schools.

FattyDaddy

Atticus 發表於 12-5-19 14:57
ESF can do their own funding and stop receiving government subsidy ...

Think of the reason behind the government subsidy, it is already explained in my original post.

I'm saying no more because I will only be repeating myself.

Atticus

FattyDaddy 發表於 12-5-19 15:02
Think of the reason behind the government subsidy, it is already explained in my original post.

I'm ...

No, sorry, you haven't.  You simply used some analogy which is out of context and not to the point.

Atticus

Atticus 發表於 12-5-19 15:14
No, sorry, you haven't.  You simply used some analogy which is out of context and not to the point. ...

Ditto, FattyDaddy.  Just like how you didn't get the point that most others tried to make on another thread regarding King George V hiring some substandard teacher to teach Chinese.  I may be wrong but I suspect you are a former ESF student and your kid(s) now go to ESF and you love ESF so much that you'll defend them with your life...  Nice to be so loyal to your old school :)

4eyesDad

Perhaps parents should not ask the utilitarian question before sending their kids to any particular type of school.
Perhaps parents should ask what they expect from their kids.
A famous Cantonese singer commented privately that he was feeling down because his kids at an international school could not understand his Cantonese songs.

Mighty

4eyesDad 發表於 12-5-20 02:01
Perhaps parents should not ask the utilitarian question before sending their kids to any particular  ...

多余LA,這是完全是自己一手做出来、有MAAK好DOWN.　IS的学生有非常多都識CANTONESE Or　MANDARIN,可能写＆看得不及LS而已。　歌手在家有無培養一個環境譲小朋友学CANTONESE　Or　MANDARIN.　自問自答、有了答案就不用DOWN。　英文好OR　OTHER LANGUAGES好、不代表中文就要差的。