在AI 年代, 大家認為那些技能在學習上更為重要?

ANChan59

兒子確認是資優之後，CP安排了一個 discovery program，跟你講那位校長講的是一致。但去到unknown problem係最高層次，常人及A1都係解決緊最基本兩層，做好這兩層在一般人心目中已經非常優秀。

Discovery programs use a structured framework based on "Knowns and Unknowns" to categorize challenges and determine the appropriate approach to innovation or problem-solving. The core goal is to navigate from high-uncertainty areas (unknowns) toward high-certainty areas (knowns) where solutions can be implemented.

Discovery Program Knowledge Matrix

Problem/Solution State     Description    Typical Discovery Approach

Known Problems, Known Solutions    The problem is clear, and the solution exists.    Optimization, efficiency improvements, and standard execution.

Known Problems, Unknown Solutions    The problem is understood, but the best approach to fix it is not.    Research, prototyping, and testing multiple options.

Unknown Problems, Unknown Solutions    Neither the problem nor the solution is known.    Exploratory research, design thinking, and ethnographic observation.

1. Known Problems, Known Solutions (Execution Zone)
Definition: These are issues with clearly defined parameters and established solutions. The challenge is in the implementation.

Known Solutions:
Automation: Using technology to speed up known processes.

Incremental Improvements: Applying minor tweaks to existing workflows (e.g., in a "known-knowns" state).

Discovery Activity: Focusing on improving efficiency, reducing operational costs, and optimizing current operations.

2. Known Problems, Unknown Solutions (Innovation Zone)
Definition: You know exactly what is wrong or what users need, but there is no obvious, effective answer.

Known Problems:
"How might we" questions: Framing the known problem as an opportunity.
User Pain Points: Documented frustrations that need fixing.

Discovery Activity:

Prototyping & Validation: Building quick, low-cost prototypes to test potential solutions.

Customer Interviews: Deeply investigating the problem space to find a "solution worth building".

3. Unknown Problems, Unknown Solutions (Exploration Zone)
Definition: This represents high ambiguity, often referred to as "unknown unknowns" or the "unexplored space." These are challenges you don't know you have, or opportunities you haven't seen.

Unknown Factors:
Unconscious Biases: Preconceptions that hide the true nature of a problem.
Emerging Trends: Disruptive factors that are not yet on the radar.

Discovery Activity:
Exploratory Research: Using open-minded research methods to find patterns in data that might reveal hidden behaviors.

The "Discovery Mindset": Fostering curiosity and a solution-agnostic approach to learn things that were previously hidden.

Ethnographic Observation: Watching users in their natural environment to identify problems they don't even know they have.

The goal of a discovery program is to turn unknowns into knowns to reduce risk before investing in full-scale development.

ANChan59

ANChan59 發表於 26-4-17 11:13
兒子確認是資優之後，CP安排了一個 discovery program，跟你講那位校長講的是一致。但去到unknown problem ...

他學咗大概幾個月，因為覺得冇乜得著，所以停咗。C P認為可能對於他來說係早咗及太深。

到大咗，我覺得他在解難時，有著這些影子。

他現在是在第二層啓發中。

poonseelai

ANChan59 發表於 26-4-17 11:13
兒子確認是資優之後，CP安排了一個 discovery program，跟你講那位校長講的是一致。但去到unknown problem ...

thank you, 今日又學到新嘢

ANChan59

poonseelai 發表於 26-4-17 11:29
thank you, 今日又學到新嘢

阿仔後來講公司嘅system audit 軟件有capacity 限制，但係audit 同事出於慣性（paradigm)要求客戶提供一個季度data，所以超出限額，如果他們懂得問下載是否有限制，就不用等兩個星期，可以逐個月下載。

所以interdisciplinary learning 係非常之有用。

twhkleung

ANChan59 發表於 26-4-17 11:13
兒子確認是資優之後，CP安排了一個 discovery program，跟你講那位校長講的是一致。但去到unknown problem ...

陳sir, 你這段描述, 令我想起一個有趣嘅對話.

有一次, 同事開會同我講, 老闆, 你個task真係好難, 我真係唔識做, 我望住佢笑笑口講, 點解坐喺呢個位係你, 而唔係阿甲乙丙? 如果我畀你嘅問題, 係人都識做, 咁我係咪求其搵個人返嚟做就ok? 點解要係你? 因為我覺得你有potential, 可以面對一啲冇明顯嘅答案, 或者, 需要自己創造嘅答案, 所以你先會坐喺呢度.
呢個可能就你所提嘅, known problem/unknown solution.

呢種情況, 通常都係要我, 或者要另一位Senior 同事, 做一個好詳細嘅問題描述, 或者未至於去到technical spec, 但係, 最少係一個非常清晰嘅user requirements. 其實對位senior嚟講, 都幾花時間.

至於去到 unknown problem / unknown solution, So far, 只有一個同事可以令我滿意, 佢係我師兄嘅徒弟 (PhD in AI), 佢就真係可以做到, 同我一齊brainstorm個問題係乜? 同我align 咗之後, 佢可以獨自搵個solution出嚟.
佢係我so far最睇得起嘅同事. 人才難求, 冇辦法.

ANChan59

twhkleung 發表於 26-4-17 12:32
陳sir, 你這段描述, 令我想起一個有趣嘅對話.

有一次, 同事開會同我講, 老闆, 你個task真係好難, 我真係唔 ...

你明我講乜啦。

這個跟你之前講Al的三個層次幾敏合。不過好多人以為現在Al做最高層次，事實上多數是最低層次。這也反影現在打工仔是知道自己的實力及價值，如果烏下烏下，被淘汰係自然不過。就算過咗Al，咁BI呢？師奶呢？

當你個fit 馬去到這個能力，自然要妥善處理挽留，你係老細會好啲，如果你當時係高薪打工仔，你都好無奈。如果挖角者是跨國企業，你都冇乜辦法。

akys

twhkleung 發表於 26-4-17 12:32
陳sir, 你這段描述, 令我想起一個有趣嘅對話.

有一次, 同事開會同我講, 老闆, 你個task真係好難, 我真係唔 ...

呢啲可以用來Interview答問題用。


例如： Interviewer問你什麼skills 或技能最重要？ 或類似題目。你答problem solving 有3類，1) known problems, known solutions, 2) known problems, unknown solutions, 3) Unknown problems, unknown solutions. 之後BlaBlaBla。 咁答你話幾型？！

ANChan59

akys 發表於 26-4-17 17:28
呢啲可以用來Interview答問題用。

Walk me through your first hand experience any of this scenarios!

ANChan59

akys 發表於 26-4-17 17:28
呢啲可以用來Interview答問題用。

一個9歲小朋友已經明白這些道理，強於 creative problem solving ，識得吹又有啲實戰經驗。但不一定所有interviewers 會識得欣賞！

twhkleung

ANChan59 發表於 26-4-17 16:13
你明我講乜啦。

這個跟你之前講Al的三個層次幾敏合。不過好多人以為現在Al做最高層次，事實上多數是最低 ...

你又令我想起, 一啲以往嘅記憶(老人家, 記得以前啲嘢, 但係short-term memory就好差  :(   

諗起以前初初出嚟做嘢, 做靚嘅時候, 我成日都諗, 老闆點解請我, 而唔請其他人, 我對佢嚟講, 有咩價值? 我對其他peers, 又有咩價值? 我對公司有咩價值? 我老闆, 都係打工仔? 如果我對佢冇價值, 咁佢點解要留我喺佢身邊? 身邊嘅同事, 個個都好smart, 同佢哋鬥smart, 只會是"事倍功半", 與其工一份, 一年下來, 份份工作, 都只係ookk咁交貨畀老闆, 不如, 集中做一兩件, 好到可以令老闆可以喺佢老闆面前攞威!

可能呢啲就係我哋呢啲, 資質一般嘅人, 嘅生存之道.

就好似我對阿仔嘅學習要求, 與其科科六七十, 平均下來又係六七十, 不如你搵自己興趣, 令到自己興趣科目做級第一二, 幫學校攞多啲校外獎, 令到你可以喺班主任, 科主任, 甚至校長面前, 佢哋都仲記得你係邊個. 就好似我以上所講, 做一兩件勁事, 幫老闆喺佢嘅老闆面前攞威一樣, 班主任, 科主任, 甚至校長, 其實同我哋一樣, 都係打工仔, 佢都有佢嘅KPI要搞.


大家討論咗咁耐, 似乎都同意了ai是工具, 將來d打工仔生存之道, 可能除了要處理好手上嘅工作之外, 還應該向上諗多啲, 自己存在價值係乜? 呢個存在價值, 唔係從自己嘅角度出發, 而係從自己老闆, 老闆嘅老闆, 嘅角度出發去諗. 呢啲正是ai取代唔到我們嘅價值.

twhkleung

akys 發表於 26-4-17 17:28
呢啲可以用來Interview答問題用。

又係喎

ANChan59

twhkleung 發表於 26-4-17 21:28
你又令我想起, 一啲以往嘅記憶(老人家, 記得以前啲嘢, 但係short-term memory就好差  :(   

諗起以前初初 ...

推薦你及兒子睇這份HBR article, Manage your boss.

https://www.charity-works.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Managing-Your-Boss_Harvard.pdf

CEO及我極力推薦給阿仔睇。

另外給他一個警告，當時他啲老細跟我們年紀差不多，成長過程，有些相似也有不同，但某一啲睇法、價值觀差不多，你不要只睇後生嘅點睇，也要了解你老細，不是擦鞋，係趨吉避凶。到職場，this unfair advantage makes a difference in his career。

twhkleung

ANChan59 發表於 26-4-17 23:32
推薦你及兒子睇這份HBR article, Manage your boss.

https://www.charity-works.co.uk/wp-content/uploa ...

Thanks 陳sir. 我就一定會睇, 但我諗叫阿仔睇就幾難, 佢而家都仲未定性, 覺得自己仲係個細路...

barque

加樂爹 發表於 26-4-17 09:25
純粹是我在各位回覆中的感覺, 話表面是同意下面3個點, 但當說到實際又是另一件事.
下面直寫直講, 比較直接, ...

本帖最後由 barque 於 26-4-18 11:28 編輯

我猶豫咗一陣是否回覆你的問題？欣賞你為孩子的教育願意付出時間去思考和執行。

我在思考在學習上好像你所說那樣使用AI到底幫助孩子在學習上達到什麼目標呢？會否反而令佢地少咗從零到有的思考能力呢。

用AI去幫學生學習，例如查找弱點，建議改善。我對於這個有些保留。

我記得孩子在讀英國文學的寫作時候，IG C S E英國文學成績最高有九級，孩子從小覺得自己的寫作能力不錯但是，但是開始寫作時發覺樽頸咗在第八級。我還記得在有次Parent conference孩子直接問老師要怎樣才攞到第九級？老師說他在堂上所教的文章結構，步驟和框架，其實係幫助大部份學生達到第七級的成績左右。當時佢比孩子的建議是，這些框架只是一個參考佢要在這些框架上有自己的突破，老師沒有進一步補充要如何才達到第九級成績，之後佢都是通過自己的方法向着個目標前進。後期都好穩定達到第九級的成績。當時教孩子英文的老師是牛津英文係畢業的。

我有少少擔心AI所提供那些輔助，其實無型中set咗一個框架，枷鎖去限制限制學生的想像力和創造力，好難達到頂尖的成績。

我自己覺得在中小學階段，我着重學習的過程多於學習的結果和目標。學習過程中的深入思考研究才能培養到孩子將來在大學或者工作上的學習能力。

barque

ANChan59 發表於 26-4-16 19:39
Multidisciplinary and Interdisciplinary education 會唔會比美國所強調Liberal Studies 更多元？更扎實 ...

我覺得各有優點，自己傾向liberal studies 多啲， 但是其實兩種方法並行取得平衡是最好的。

當然呢個世界，可能有十全十美。

ANChan59

Liberal Studies and Interdisciplinary Studies are both flexible, broad-based educational approaches that often overlap, but they differ primarily in their structure and goal: Liberal Studies focuses on a broad, well-rounded foundation (often for teaching), while Interdisciplinary Studies focuses on synthesizing two or more specific disciplines to solve complex problems.

Here is a breakdown of the differences:
1. Liberal Studies (Often termed Liberal Arts)
Focus: A broad survey of humanities, sciences, and arts.
Purpose: To develop a well-rounded individual with strong critical thinking and communication skills.
Structure: Often acts as a foundational or preparatory degree, traditionally used as a pathway for prospective elementary (K-6) school teachers.
Customization: Moderate. Students may choose areas of concentration, but there is often a defined, core academic curriculum.
Example: A degree combining literature, history, and social science to prepare for a teaching credential.

2. Interdisciplinary Learning (Interdisciplinary Studies)
Focus: Bridging gaps between, or merging methods from, different disciplines to examine a specific theme, problem, or topic.
Purpose: To gain a deeper understanding of complex, real-world problems by applying multiple lenses.
Structure: Often highly customized and self-designed, tailored toward specific, niche career goals or intellectual interests.
Customization: High. Students often combine courses from 2–3 departments into a personalized plan.
Example: Creating a major in "Digital Humanities" that combines computer science and art history.

Key Differences Summary
Feature         Liberal Studies        Interdisciplinary Studies
Primary Goal        Broad foundational knowledge        Integrating different fields
Typical Use        Teacher prep, general education        Specialized, self-designed careers
Structure        Wide, covering many subjects        Focused synthesis of 2-3 fields
Flexibility        Moderate (some requirements)        High (often self-designed)
Core Skill        Broad, well-rounded perspective        Critical analysis

ANChan59

Liberal studies 在北美洲原來為咗訓練中小學老師，一個老師同一班教幾科。

咁我更朋友子女不是想去教書，讀完變成高不成，低不就！

barque

ANChan59 發表於 26-4-18 19:12
Liberal studies 在北美洲原來為咗訓練中小學老師，一個老師同一班教幾科。

咁我更朋友子女不是想去教書， ...

Liberal arts education is an academic approach that prioritizes a broad intellectual foundation over narrow vocational training. Rather than preparing you for a single specific job, it focuses on developing transferable skills—like critical thinking, effective communication, and ethical reasoning—that can be applied across many different careers.
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Core Philosophy and Subjects
The term "liberal" comes from the Latin liberalis, meaning "education worthy of a free person". Historically, this meant mastering the "Seven Liberal Arts":
O.P. Jindal Global University (JGU)
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The Trivium: Grammar, logic, and rhetoric (the tools of language and thought).
The Quadrivium: Arithmetic, geometry, music, and astronomy (the tools of numbers and the physical world).
O.P. Jindal Global University (JGU)
O.P. Jindal Global University (JGU)
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Today, the curriculum is much broader and typically encompasses four main branches:
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Humanities: Literature, philosophy, history, and languages.
Social Sciences: Psychology, sociology, economics, and political science.
Natural Sciences: Biology, chemistry, and physics.
Mathematics & Arts: Logic and creative disciplines like music or theater.
Pacific University
Pacific University
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Why Choose Liberal Arts?
Adaptability: In an evolving job market where roles are often disrupted by technology like AI, liberal arts graduates are prized for their ability to learn new things quickly and think from multiple perspectives.
Career Versatility: Graduates are found in almost every field, including STEM, business, law, and healthcare, often moving into leadership roles because of their strong communication and problem-solving abilities.
Holistic Development: It aims to create "complete citizens"—individuals who are socially responsible, culturally aware, and capable of independent thought.

barque

Many influential figures in politics, literature, and business graduated from these top liberal arts colleges. Here are some of the most famous alumni from the schools mentioned:
Wellesley College
Hillary Clinton: Former U.S. Secretary of State and 2016 Presidential nominee.
Madeleine Albright: The first female U.S. Secretary of State.
Diane Sawyer: Renowned television journalist and news anchor.
Nora Ephron: Famous screenwriter and director (When Harry Met Sally, Sleepless in Seattle).
Williams College
James A. Garfield: The 20th President of the United States.
Stephen Sondheim: Legendary composer and lyricist (West Side Story, Into the Woods).
Elia Kazan: Academy Award-winning director (On the Waterfront, A Streetcar Named Desire).
Wang Leehom: Famous Chinese-American singer-songwriter and actor.
Erin Burnett: CNN news anchor and journalist.
Amherst College
Calvin Coolidge: The 30th President of the United States.
Albert II, Prince of Monaco: The current reigning monarch of the Principality of Monaco.
Uhuru Kenyatta: Former President of Kenya.
Dan Brown: Author of the best-selling novel The Da Vinci Code.
Joseph Stiglitz: Nobel Prize-winning economist.
Bowdoin College
Franklin Pierce: The 14th President of the United States.
Nathaniel Hawthorne: Author of classic American literature like The Scarlet Letter.
Henry Wadsworth Longfellow: Famous 19th-century poet.
Reed Hastings: Co-founder and former CEO of Netflix.
Kenneth Chenault: Former CEO of American Express.
Pomona College
Kris Kristofferson: Grammy-winning singer-songwriter and actor.
Richard Chamberlain: Golden Globe-winning actor known for Shōgun and The Thorn Birds.
James Turrell: World-renowned contemporary artist known for his work with light and space.
Bill Keller: Former executive editor of The New York Times.
Swarthmore College

Michael Dukakis: Former Governor of Massachusetts and 1988 Democratic Presidential nominee.

David Baltimore: Nobel Prize-winning biologist and former president of Caltech.

James Michener: Pulitzer Prize-winning author (Tales of the South Pacific).
Service Academies
U.S. Naval Academy: Jimmy Carter (39th U.S. President) and Alan Shepard (First American in space).
U.S. Air Force Academy: Gregg Popovich (Head coach of the San Antonio Spurs) and Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger (Pilot of the "Miracle on the Hudson").

twhkleung

barque 發表於 26-4-18 11:20
本帖最後由 barque 於 26-4-18 11:43 編輯

本帖最後由 barque 於 26-4-18 11:28 編輯

"我有少少擔心AI所提供那些輔助，其實無型中set咗一個框架，枷鎖去限制限制學生的想像力和創造力，好難達到頂尖的成績。"

我都開始發現呢個問題, 用ai多咗, 邏輯分析能力係強咗*, 但係表達能力係差咗, 因為要想有效率咁用好過ai, 個prompt 唔係一個complete sentence, 或者成段英文, 而係point by point, 最後, 搞到同人溝通嘅時候, 都變成一個個point咁嘅講嘢方法, 而唔係一個有連貫性嘅語文.



* 指係負責任咁用同個ai, 一齊work嗰種, 而唔係將一個問題交畀ai, 明唔明白都唔理嗰種.