反思教改

bk2005

不是空口說白話，...乱貼文章可做到的...。

    

TWMa

Judy:
我看完他貼的文章真不知道他到底想怎樣? 想說什麼? 教改大控訴?! 既然 hrsccky 都看過那麼多別的國家教育上做得成功的地方, 理應明白香港的教改也是這樣的方向, 看看關於芬蘭的這段---

芬蘭的老師的學歷要求很高，教育法規定，所有學前教育、義務教育、高等教育、成人教育的老師，都必須具備碩士以上學歷，並通過教師資格考試，才能申請成為老師。

但他又說 "我從來不認爲老師不需要有一定的標準。"

為芬蘭基礎教育打下健康基礎的另一個原因--- 重視教育機會均等, 現行的統一派位制度不是體現這個精神的改革之一嗎? 受多少家長歡迎?

judy

TWMa,

試想想，如果開會時，不是直指問題核心，而是你講一些白話，我講一些空話，別說浪費時間，簡直費神死了。

TWMa

唉呀
Quote 錯左添, 但基準試的作用仍是提高老師的素質, 其他的, Judy 已說了.

DerekK

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醫改教改異同

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實行改革三大忌：

1.有口號無方向，政策一時一樣，「朝行晚拆」；

2.支離繁瑣，指標多多但失去意義也不知；

3.迷信紅蘿蔔與棍子，忘記人有尊嚴和自主性。

醫療改革與教育改革對香港的未來是這樣重要，真的需要一種honesttoGod的恒常省察，和冷靜細緻的調節能力。

公立醫療改革之路比教育改革稍長，悲喜得失有很多相似的因由。量化管理、競爭評比是表面可見的；深一層看，是不再完全信任傳統的專業自主的精神。

因應時代需要，也是順應全球時興的口味，醫療與教育正在移向市場經濟與服務行業的範式。執著於純粹的、理想化的專業精神的專業人員，往往就是最苦惱的一群。

我不想再討論自殺個案。然而，對比一下醫療界與教育界的反應也是有啟發的。醫生自殺後，同行悲痛多於憤怒；教師自殺，同行起初是悲痛和憤怒參半，及至官員急躁失言後，控訴蓋過了哀傷，然後是局長宣布大手筆撥十六億元，以示關懷。為什麼撥十六億元會有助減少教師壓力？不是說愈多特別發展計劃愈忙碌嗎？

向來不願意相信perceptionisreality這句時髦話，但看來教師的集體感知的確便是reality。

DerekK

其實看好多人批評教改,
但除聽來聽去也是甚麼[增加教師壓力],
侵犯[專業自主],
但從來沒有人提出那個政策有問題,
那個政策去得太急,
很難令人信服

WYmom

DerekK 寫道:
其實看好多人批評教改,
但除聽來聽去也是甚麼[增加教師壓力],
侵犯[專業自主],
但從來沒有人提出那個政策有問題,
那個政策去得太急,
很難令人信服

From parent's view, I would say:
- Reducing banding from 5 to 3 and lucky draw system in primary and secondary school allocation are not good for kids and teachers due to too large variance in students' quality;

- implementation of the new "liberal studies" in secondary may have high risk if the teachers do not have any experience and cannot get themselves ready in 3 years, so may be considered going too fast.

hrsccky

不知道judy何以這樣憤怒。還請慢慢找出憤怒的原因吧。我對別人沒有怨言，只是反省我自己在教育子女的道路上的盲點和缺失。至於道德，很多是虛僞的。我也曾虛僞，後來當我真心面對我的孩子，真實面對自己時，我發現他們是那樣的美好和純真。他們愛好學習，從出世開始；勇於探索，從出世開始；敢于創新，從出世開始；勇於承擔，從出世開始。

是誰將他們這

mattsmum

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hrsccky 寫道:
不知道judy何以這樣憤怒。還請慢慢找出憤怒的原因吧。我對別人沒有怨言，只是反省我自己在教育子女的道路上的盲點和缺失。至於道德，很多是虛僞的。我也曾虛僞，後來當我真心面對我的孩子，真實面對自己時，我發現他們是那樣的美好和純真。他們愛好學習，從出世開始；勇於探索，從出世開始；敢于創新，從出世開始；勇於承擔，從出世開始。

是誰將他們這

mattsmum

first amend the law and allow homeschooling-在家自學.

我主張題目公開，由學生研究、看書去做。例如，出二十個題，學生能答出十題，答得好，其中有的答得很好，有創見，可以一百分；二十題都答對了，也對，但是平平淡淡，沒有創見的，給五十分、六十分。考試可以交頭接耳，無非是自己不懂，問了別人懂了。懂了就有收穫，為什麼要死記硬背呢？人家做了，我抄一遍也行。

還招生自主權全部還給學校。學校的校長和教師們承擔起自主的責任。學校選擇什麼樣的測試標準、以什麼樣的綜合標準來招收學生，由學校自主決定。

大學入學試一年不能少於5次,學生交錢就可以參加考試，也可以多次參加考試，直到考到自己的滿意的分數為止。大學有權自主命題招考，也有權自願聯合起來出題招生,

look at the birth rate:
current high school student: about 80000,
1997 birth rate: about 60000,
2003 birth rate: about 40000,
2005 birth rate: about 27000.

current university students: about 15000.

certainly there is much higher chance than before.

DerekK

WYmom 寫道:

From parent's view, I would say:
- Reducing banding from 5 to 3 and lucky draw system in primary and secondary school allocation are not good for kids and teachers due to too large variance in students' quality;

- implementation of the new "liberal studies" in secondary may have high risk if the teachers do not have any experience and cannot get themselves ready in 3 years, so may be considered going too fast.

Actually I really buy the idea of changing the banding from 5 to 3 and lucky draw. The problem of old system is that all the "good" student go to "good"school, wherest the "weak"students will study in the "weak" school. However, both good school and weak school is having similar among of resources (actually those famous good schools may even get more (One example is the underground carpark in one famous school).  What do you expect in teaching all weak 40 students in this "weak" school with similar number of teaching staff.....

WYmom

DerekK 寫道:
Actually I really buy the idea of changing the banding from 5 to 3 and lucky draw. The problem of old system is that all the "good" student go to "good"school, wherest the "weak"students will study in the "weak" school. However, both good school and weak school is having similar among of resources (actually those famous good schools may even get more (One example is the underground carpark in one famous school).  What do you expect in teaching all weak 40 students in this "weak" school with similar number of teaching staff.....

If you like this lucky draw system, why don't you just let lucky draw determine the fate of your kid?  Why did you apply private school then?

hkchina2000

好既學生齊集在一起, 老師能因才施教, 不是更加好嗎?

老實講, 如果我d小朋友學習跟唔上, 我自已都唔希望老師將佢地同d超前進度的學生一齊教.

事實上, 好多津校都用精英制, 將好既學生同較差既學生分班, 到P2, P3時如果差既仲趕唔上, 有d就勸佢轉校.  學校用自已的方法去糾正制度的不足.  我自已就覺得 lucky draw 唔好.

DerekK

WYmom 寫道:


If you like this lucky draw system, why don't you just let lucky draw determine the fate of your kid?  Why did you apply private school then?

For those parent who are wealthy enough , it is reasonable to apply those DSS or private school and pay their fee. Just like someone let their children going to foreign countries.It is the basis of capitalism.

It seen not related to lucky draw system in which all involve free education.

kitkitaunt

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judy 寫道:

有没有教師走来，說說現在之課程緊了，還是鬆了。教局提倡校本課程，甚麽叫校本課程呢？校本課程就是採取最適合的課程設計和對應方式来教小朋友。

hkchina2000

Derekk, Why if they are wealthy enough, it's reasonable to apply DSS or PS?

DerekK

hkchina2000 寫道:
好既學生齊集在一起, 老師能因才施教, 不是更加好嗎?

老實講, 如果我d小朋友學習跟唔上, 我自已都唔希望老師將佢地同d超前進度的學生一齊教.

事實上, 好多津校都用精英制, 將好既學生同較差既學生分班, 到P2, P3時如果差既仲趕唔上, 有d就勸佢轉校.  學校用自已的方法去糾正制度的不足.  我自已就覺得 lucky draw 唔好.

好既學生齊集在一起,
當然容易施教,
但差如果全班三十幾人都是差學生呢???
老師要幫全部人追上程度可能嗎???
結果只能放棄,
電影中[逃學威龍]課室所發生的事是真的有在Band 5學校發生的，
如果學校自主收生就只會令好學校就只有越來越好，
差學校就只有越來越差,
貧者越貧，富者越富，
做成以前的教育困境，
抽簽雖做成名校平庸化,
但也同時令一些在較差學校教師能放多些時間幫助一些更有需要的學生

hkchina2000

嘩! judy 你好犀利啊, 文章亦都寫得非常好.  

        

DerekK

I mean financial wealthy. Because they have to pay for their school fee wherest through lucky draw system, the government (actually HK publics) will pay for them

hkchina2000 寫道:
Derekk, Why if they are wealthy enough, it's reasonable to apply DSS or PS?